What if the fetus was missing it’s skull and brain? What would your five year old granddaughter think about that? It would give her nightmares for the rest of her life. You simply refuse to understand that unless you have a uterus, you don’t get an opinion. Again, none of your business!!
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Worldwide, over One Billion Abortions is a tragedy that needs to end.
Every single death of a woman involving pregnancy is also a tragedy, which needs to be prevented. On the rare occasion in which the only way to save the life of the mother is to end the life of the baby, that is her right and choice. This, and only this choice, should be legal: Because, all other abortions are "murder" -- the taking of an innocent life. Therefore, in all other cases, the child should have the right to live.
It is impossible for the procedure called "Partial Birth Abortion" to "save the life of the mother."
Anyone who has had an abortion can be forgiven.
The Solution: All unwanted babies should be given a Home. This is what Christians have always done.
This would require Christians like me to back their words with actions. Every child is worth it.
The Inconvenient Truth (A Parable): There once was a woman who lived in a house. The woman occupied the house, but did not own the house. The Landlord owned the house. The woman had a visitor and the Landlord sent a baby to live in the house. The woman did not want the baby to live in the house. The woman asked the doctor to remove the baby from the house. The Landlord said, "You should not remove my baby, because it cannot live outside of the house yet." The woman said, "It is my house, and my baby, and I cannot live with this baby: Therefore, I will pay the doctor to remove the baby from my house." And the Landlord said, "Please do not kill my baby!" And the woman said, "I will do what I want!" The Landlord said, "If you do not repent and acknowledge the Truth, you will surely die." So the Landlord took the baby to live in His House and the woman died. The doctor died also. The End. P. S. The Landlord died too, so that the baby, the woman, and the doctor might live.
Bite me. You just pegged yourself as a narsissistic, Christian mysoginist. Keep your theology off my biology. When you grow a uterus, someone might listen to you. Hope your granddaughters don’t meet someone like you when they are adults.
Dude, as a retired surgical assistant who actually has a medical degree, and specialty in Surgical techniques, you are full of effluent. There is no such procedure as a partial birth abortion.
"The term "partial-birth abortion" also has no independent meaning: it is not a medical term nor does it refer to a medical procedure. The correct term, "intact dilation and extraction," is never mentioned in most proposed legislation, much of which is written in broad enough language to outlaw all abortions. Most states that passed bans on "partial-birth abortions," in fact, had previously banned late-term abortions. In Georgia, a court order revised a "partial-birth abortion" law by limiting it to post-viability dilation and extraction and insisting on exceptions to protect the pregnant women's life and health. The courts have severely limited or enjoined "partial-birth abortion" legislation in 19 of the 20 states where challenges were mounted. Because an educated public overwhelmingly rejects the bans, reproductive rights activists are attempting to educate the public despite the inability or unwillingness of the media to make the crucial distinction.
Then why did my former Senator Claire McCaskill call it that? And she insisted "that it remain legal to save the life of the mother." I was trying to be kind, because I assumed that everyone knows what it is: But just how can sucking the brains out of a partially delivered baby, and then delivering the dead baby, save its mothers life? If you say its mother wouldn't be "happy" to care for this child, that is no excuse for murder! BTW, my daughter is a doctor.
You're completely misguided and don't know what the fuck these medical procedures are and why they are needed. Talk to your daughter, assuming she is one of the sane ones.
Thank you for your kind response: If it were that simple, I would not be involved in this difficult dilemma. Can't we find a way to give that same opportunity to the unborn children, half of which are female.
It’s a zygote, an embryo, a fetus, not a baby. Put down your religious propaganda and read some science. This comes under the heading of none of your f. . .ing business.
I purchased this space to tell you to 'put a sock in it!' No disrespect but you don't seem to understand the underlying science nor the concept of 'none of your business' and certainly not of our government. You are free to do what you want in your life.
My 5-year-old and 2-year-old granddaughters can look at the sonogram of their baby brother or sister and know that it is a living baby. Why do you all ignore this fact and deny its right to live?
You seem to have a hard time understanding the science that there is no 'baby' when abortions are performed or needed. I think you should just stay out of this debate and enjoy your grandchildren and pray that your daughters don't have complications with their future pregnancies -- do you want your pregnant daughter to walk around with a dead fetus inside until term, as Jessica calls them, Walking Coffins? do you want your daughter to miscarry and then not have access to D&C (abortion) and die of sepsis? do you want your daughter to deliver the baby and die of sepsis when she does not get an D&C (abortion) to clear remnants in her uterus after a month? Or what if your old wife needs a hysterectomy or other procedures in her post-menopausal time when they have to enlarge the cervix using the medication that your Christian people are banning? All these questions relate to real cases now since Dobbs where women have either died or suffered near death or had to travel somewhere at great risk and cost. Is that what you want for your daughters and wife?
We are not ignoring anything - we are following science and want intelligent public health policy that does not kill women and most important, want our fundamental rights not mucked around -- you or anyone else don't have a right to a pregnant woman's body, period. She is not some damn community property, like the GA Judge aptly said.
All of your above examples, while legitimate in their own limited way, are "red herrings." Nobody I know of wants to kill women, but I sure know of people who make a lot of money killing babies! Why do you insist that a living human being in the womb has no rights? The baby is NOT part of the mother's body and has his or her own "blood type." Again, all I am trying to prevent is abortion, simply because someone wants the baby killed.
wow, you need more help than I can offer! Pregnant women are getting killed because of people like you whether you intended it or not. I hope you experience first hand the 'red herring' because unless fools like you and the politicians stop mucking around with women's health, it will come to your door one day.
And we could pick any other policy issue and Republicans' plans for it would be just as dystopian. This is what we're voting on. I still don't think enough Americans realize at all what the Republican agenda really is. Hopefully we can beat them anyway.
If evil prevails instead, we have to maintain access to reliable information to stand any chance of a popular movement removing the regime. Journalists will quickly go to the top of the list of 'enemies of the state'.
In all the articles I have read about the abortion apocalypse into which we may be heading, no one has ever talked about what happened in Romania under Ceaușescu. https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/05/16/what-actually-happens-when-a-country-bans-abortion-romania-alabama/ As I am wont to say, historians are always standing on the sidelines saying, "Don't do that! We tried it before, and it didn't work." But nobody listens to us.
I have been talking about it for years, all the poor, robotic-type babies warehoused in orphanages who were starved of touch and bonding with another human. And were never quite right. Ceausescu richly deserved his fate.
Oddly enough one of my friends (a single Jewish surgeon) went to Romania and adopted one of those babies, she tried very hard to give the child everything she needed, but it did not turn out well. Very sad for both of them.
I'd like to call your attention to a NYT article a few days ago. Trump has his own "Plan B" ( as I call it ). "Trump-aligned Group is poised to be more Influential than Project 2025". Remember when he tried to disavow Project 2025 this summer? Well, that's because he has the "American First Policy Institute" in the wings. It is a Texas-based, right-wing think tank headed by names like Kelly Anne Conway, Bobby Jindhal, Pam Bondi etc.,. Trump's presidential transition leader is a board member. The policies are like a mirror image of Project 2025. (see "HOPE Agenda"). They are also vetting people for the hoped-for Trump administration. These people are entrenched all over the place. https://www.americafirstpolicy.comhttps://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/24/us/politics/donald-trump-campaign-america-first-policy-institute.html?unlocked_article_code=1.XU4.RtQw.s4BeWn58m0VM&smid=url-share
The name I was expecting to see in a shortlist of anti-abortion judges is Matthew Kacsmaryk. Is he not on their radar for an appeals court job? He certainly seems to have been auditioning.
I hadn't seen this video before - beyond infuriating. So these women would have to go to Mexico or Canada if there is a national ban and assuming they can travel or they will die carrying the pregnancy to term.
That jackass saying that (1) women lie about being rape or incest victims so that tht could have an abortion and (2) telling womrn that they should view a pregnancy that occurred BECAUSE of rape or incest is an "opportunity ".
I am so afraid that unless many more women die that people will continue to br in denial.
yeah, scary that they are so irresponsible and if we condemn that he should experience it first hand, that would be punishing his daughter or wife. There was another fucker who said why can't they swallow a camera to find more about pregnancies. This is their intelligence, knowledge of science and public health. These people should be voted out and banished from the public square.
What if the fetus was missing it’s skull and brain? What would your five year old granddaughter think about that? It would give her nightmares for the rest of her life. You simply refuse to understand that unless you have a uterus, you don’t get an opinion. Again, none of your business!!
Tim Cantrell, the above post is for you.
Please believe that every word that follows is sincerely true:
Thank you for the invitation to "join the conversation."
Thank you for this opportunity to purchase space to interact with you for one month or more.
I should have done this years ago:
Worldwide, over One Billion Abortions is a tragedy that needs to end.
Every single death of a woman involving pregnancy is also a tragedy, which needs to be prevented. On the rare occasion in which the only way to save the life of the mother is to end the life of the baby, that is her right and choice. This, and only this choice, should be legal: Because, all other abortions are "murder" -- the taking of an innocent life. Therefore, in all other cases, the child should have the right to live.
It is impossible for the procedure called "Partial Birth Abortion" to "save the life of the mother."
Anyone who has had an abortion can be forgiven.
The Solution: All unwanted babies should be given a Home. This is what Christians have always done.
This would require Christians like me to back their words with actions. Every child is worth it.
The Inconvenient Truth (A Parable): There once was a woman who lived in a house. The woman occupied the house, but did not own the house. The Landlord owned the house. The woman had a visitor and the Landlord sent a baby to live in the house. The woman did not want the baby to live in the house. The woman asked the doctor to remove the baby from the house. The Landlord said, "You should not remove my baby, because it cannot live outside of the house yet." The woman said, "It is my house, and my baby, and I cannot live with this baby: Therefore, I will pay the doctor to remove the baby from my house." And the Landlord said, "Please do not kill my baby!" And the woman said, "I will do what I want!" The Landlord said, "If you do not repent and acknowledge the Truth, you will surely die." So the Landlord took the baby to live in His House and the woman died. The doctor died also. The End. P. S. The Landlord died too, so that the baby, the woman, and the doctor might live.
Bite me. You just pegged yourself as a narsissistic, Christian mysoginist. Keep your theology off my biology. When you grow a uterus, someone might listen to you. Hope your granddaughters don’t meet someone like you when they are adults.
Dude, as a retired surgical assistant who actually has a medical degree, and specialty in Surgical techniques, you are full of effluent. There is no such procedure as a partial birth abortion.
"The term "partial-birth abortion" also has no independent meaning: it is not a medical term nor does it refer to a medical procedure. The correct term, "intact dilation and extraction," is never mentioned in most proposed legislation, much of which is written in broad enough language to outlaw all abortions. Most states that passed bans on "partial-birth abortions," in fact, had previously banned late-term abortions. In Georgia, a court order revised a "partial-birth abortion" law by limiting it to post-viability dilation and extraction and insisting on exceptions to protect the pregnant women's life and health. The courts have severely limited or enjoined "partial-birth abortion" legislation in 19 of the 20 states where challenges were mounted. Because an educated public overwhelmingly rejects the bans, reproductive rights activists are attempting to educate the public despite the inability or unwillingness of the media to make the crucial distinction.
PubMed Disclaimer" https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12294330/
Then why did my former Senator Claire McCaskill call it that? And she insisted "that it remain legal to save the life of the mother." I was trying to be kind, because I assumed that everyone knows what it is: But just how can sucking the brains out of a partially delivered baby, and then delivering the dead baby, save its mothers life? If you say its mother wouldn't be "happy" to care for this child, that is no excuse for murder! BTW, my daughter is a doctor.
You're completely misguided and don't know what the fuck these medical procedures are and why they are needed. Talk to your daughter, assuming she is one of the sane ones.
I don't know of any abortion "procedure" that is not "barbaric."
You are free to espouse your beliefs, and to live your life accordingly.
Other women and their partners would like to live their lives according to their principles.
Thank you for your kind response: If it were that simple, I would not be involved in this difficult dilemma. Can't we find a way to give that same opportunity to the unborn children, half of which are female.
It’s a zygote, an embryo, a fetus, not a baby. Put down your religious propaganda and read some science. This comes under the heading of none of your f. . .ing business.
My 5-year-old granddaughter can see it: It's not "religious propaganda" -- just "common sense" and the truth.
I purchased this space to tell you to 'put a sock in it!' No disrespect but you don't seem to understand the underlying science nor the concept of 'none of your business' and certainly not of our government. You are free to do what you want in your life.
My 5-year-old and 2-year-old granddaughters can look at the sonogram of their baby brother or sister and know that it is a living baby. Why do you all ignore this fact and deny its right to live?
You seem to have a hard time understanding the science that there is no 'baby' when abortions are performed or needed. I think you should just stay out of this debate and enjoy your grandchildren and pray that your daughters don't have complications with their future pregnancies -- do you want your pregnant daughter to walk around with a dead fetus inside until term, as Jessica calls them, Walking Coffins? do you want your daughter to miscarry and then not have access to D&C (abortion) and die of sepsis? do you want your daughter to deliver the baby and die of sepsis when she does not get an D&C (abortion) to clear remnants in her uterus after a month? Or what if your old wife needs a hysterectomy or other procedures in her post-menopausal time when they have to enlarge the cervix using the medication that your Christian people are banning? All these questions relate to real cases now since Dobbs where women have either died or suffered near death or had to travel somewhere at great risk and cost. Is that what you want for your daughters and wife?
We are not ignoring anything - we are following science and want intelligent public health policy that does not kill women and most important, want our fundamental rights not mucked around -- you or anyone else don't have a right to a pregnant woman's body, period. She is not some damn community property, like the GA Judge aptly said.
All of your above examples, while legitimate in their own limited way, are "red herrings." Nobody I know of wants to kill women, but I sure know of people who make a lot of money killing babies! Why do you insist that a living human being in the womb has no rights? The baby is NOT part of the mother's body and has his or her own "blood type." Again, all I am trying to prevent is abortion, simply because someone wants the baby killed.
wow, you need more help than I can offer! Pregnant women are getting killed because of people like you whether you intended it or not. I hope you experience first hand the 'red herring' because unless fools like you and the politicians stop mucking around with women's health, it will come to your door one day.
And we could pick any other policy issue and Republicans' plans for it would be just as dystopian. This is what we're voting on. I still don't think enough Americans realize at all what the Republican agenda really is. Hopefully we can beat them anyway.
If evil prevails instead, we have to maintain access to reliable information to stand any chance of a popular movement removing the regime. Journalists will quickly go to the top of the list of 'enemies of the state'.
Many of them are already complying with the authoritarians.
In all the articles I have read about the abortion apocalypse into which we may be heading, no one has ever talked about what happened in Romania under Ceaușescu. https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/05/16/what-actually-happens-when-a-country-bans-abortion-romania-alabama/ As I am wont to say, historians are always standing on the sidelines saying, "Don't do that! We tried it before, and it didn't work." But nobody listens to us.
I have been talking about it for years, all the poor, robotic-type babies warehoused in orphanages who were starved of touch and bonding with another human. And were never quite right. Ceausescu richly deserved his fate.
Thanks, Natalie, for remembering. Those poor women were forced to give birth by some megalomaniacal asshole.
Oddly enough one of my friends (a single Jewish surgeon) went to Romania and adopted one of those babies, she tried very hard to give the child everything she needed, but it did not turn out well. Very sad for both of them.
Tragic. Lives lost to patriarchy.
Yes.
Song for today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se-didBGn8A
I'd like to call your attention to a NYT article a few days ago. Trump has his own "Plan B" ( as I call it ). "Trump-aligned Group is poised to be more Influential than Project 2025". Remember when he tried to disavow Project 2025 this summer? Well, that's because he has the "American First Policy Institute" in the wings. It is a Texas-based, right-wing think tank headed by names like Kelly Anne Conway, Bobby Jindhal, Pam Bondi etc.,. Trump's presidential transition leader is a board member. The policies are like a mirror image of Project 2025. (see "HOPE Agenda"). They are also vetting people for the hoped-for Trump administration. These people are entrenched all over the place. https://www.americafirstpolicy.com https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/24/us/politics/donald-trump-campaign-america-first-policy-institute.html?unlocked_article_code=1.XU4.RtQw.s4BeWn58m0VM&smid=url-share
Well that was a nightmarish read.
A Trump presidency would also ban abortion for people in the military. That was true the last time around, and Biden reversed it.
Well stated, Jessica. Thanks.
Thanks Grace and Jessica. Cautiously hopeful 🩷💙
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Beyond chilling
The name I was expecting to see in a shortlist of anti-abortion judges is Matthew Kacsmaryk. Is he not on their radar for an appeals court job? He certainly seems to have been auditioning.
Ted Cruz is said to have picked he, and Ho for the Texas supreme court. The worst, picking fellow monsters.
Extremism in predicting what Trump might do is no vice, and moderation about his appointees is no virtue.
In case anyone needs more evidence of what happens when abortion is banned, listen to these stories out of Idaho.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2r7rNbQX6c
I hadn't seen this video before - beyond infuriating. So these women would have to go to Mexico or Canada if there is a national ban and assuming they can travel or they will die carrying the pregnancy to term.
That jackass saying that (1) women lie about being rape or incest victims so that tht could have an abortion and (2) telling womrn that they should view a pregnancy that occurred BECAUSE of rape or incest is an "opportunity ".
I am so afraid that unless many more women die that people will continue to br in denial.
yeah, scary that they are so irresponsible and if we condemn that he should experience it first hand, that would be punishing his daughter or wife. There was another fucker who said why can't they swallow a camera to find more about pregnancies. This is their intelligence, knowledge of science and public health. These people should be voted out and banished from the public square.