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Uh, "save my wife, or her uterus?" Did they think her uterus would live on autonomously?

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Ms. ‘Autonomy’ uses language that is clearly coercive and inaccurate, violating basic medical ethics. And she either believes those who are pregnant are really entitled to patient autonomy or believe they need patronizing strangers to make those decisions for them. That’s the real choice.

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I know I bring it up a lot but...do people who oppose abortion know they don't have to have one? Like if abortion is legal and accessible, that doesn't make it mandatory? I think about this a lot! Like it isn't as though you get knocked up and then you HAVE to have an abortion. I will never understand these people, nor will I understand paying money to troll like we apparently have here now! Exciting!

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Interesting. I read the newsletter and the comments all the time and this is the first time I can remember seeing an anti-abortion commenter (don't they have to subscribe, i.e. pay?) A lot of people are really worried about the future of civilization because every country that isn't shit poor and otherwise fucked up has low birth rates. I have two responses to that.

First, I think it shows a lack of imagination. Are the only two options 1) subjugation and misery for half the population (which has been most of human history) or 2) extinction of civilization and of the species? They're essentially saying progress is impossible and we need to reverse it all or we die. If you're REALLY worried about having more babies, you need to advance the status of women - honestly you need to put women in charge of civilization - because you need to make bearing children something other than slave labor. As usual it's the men that stand in the way of this. Not only would they need to give their power and control over to women, but they'd also need to get off their asses and do their share of the work (and since the woman is already giving her very body, she's starting out with a huge lead in terms of work done).

But second, why is the future of the species so important to anyone who is alive now? We only live once (most of the people worried about this don't believe in reincarnation). Does it really make sense for us to be miserable today just to ensure that there exist future generations who can be just as miserable? I suppose it's hard because it means confronting one's own mortality, contemplating a future in which you do not exist. But that's the reality, regardless of how many people are or are not on the planet after you're gone. What's so wrong with trying to make our lives better today, in the present, right now?

And I know the hardcore religious believe 'be fruitful and multiply' is a commandment from their god, but most of the people fretting about the future of civilization seem to present their arguments and concerns as secular, whether they truly are or not. I just think it's helpful to have some good rejoinders when we encounter this, rather than dismissing or ignoring it. But I suppose I could be wrong on that too :)

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“Autonomy dictates that the patient ultimately decides the intended outcome of her pregnancy even if she’s already taken an abortion drug.”

So much anti-abortion language makes it sound like every forced pregnancy is inevitably destined to result in a living child. It's either massively dishonest or profoundly ignorant to conveniently ignore the fact that pregnancy is dangerous and lots of things can go wrong. Loading people up with disinformation actually makes bad outcomes more likely, not less.

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That statistic about Bristol is just amazing and goes to show how utterly ridiculous having this decided state by state is - perfectly legal in one part of town and then a felony in another. Women's rights should NOT depend on what zip code or state in which they live. Dobbs was such an utterly shut decision.

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I was stunned by the California pharmacist stats. Have training and continuing education become nonexistent? Are pharmacists in other states equally ignorant to such a high degree?

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Sorry all! Comments were shut off for some reason! All back on and good :)

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