More from the Alabama ruling article: "Megan Legerski, 37, of Tuscaloosa, Ala., who is currently undergoing infertility treatment, said that she recently became pregnant after being implanted with an embryo created through in vitro fertilization, but that she miscarried after eight weeks.
She and her partner have three more frozen embryos that they can implant, she said."
So let's ask another question: If the frozen embryos are now "persons" and the doctor is implanting one into a woman who has a history of miscarriages, will prosecutors find that to be reckless endangerment on the doctor's part, esp if the woman miscarries?
Dobbs is a holy mess. What a debacle.
And Alito isn't reflective about it at all. He's now turning his attention to undoing Obergefell.
I know Jessica is off today but is anyone outraged by the Alabama ruling? Did you see the judge's line in the opinion? " 'Even before birth, all human beings have the image of God, and their lives cannot be destroyed without effacing his glory,' Chief Justice Tom Parker wrote in a concurring opinion, citing scripture.'
Hopefully this will hand the Dems full power in 2024. Contraception is absolutely next. Gen Z, especially, has to see that. They're not so enamored with Biden right now, but they have to know that a vote for the GOP -- ANY and ALL OF THEM -- is a vote for The Handmaid's Tale.
It is outrageous that even medical doctors are supporting this legislation . They should not have a license to practice. This legislation not only polices women with the data tracking, but puts the fear of god in medical staff who know better than to endanger pregnant women.
Not so relevant to today's topic, but I just want to say how thankful I am for your work! My best friend's daughter is a college freshman in Florida and just found out she's pregnant. I was able to immediately give her some info & suggestions like using cash to buy pregnancy test & turning off location when she visits Planned Parenthood. She's already got a trip to Chicago lined up and we'll help her schedule an abortion there. Boyfriend is supportive but we don't know how conservative his parents are.
Wasn't there a bill in Oklahoma several years ago that would require a woman to list the baby's father, when they conceived and other info to get an abortion? It's truly outrageous.
Thank you to the person who responded with all the background research links. Excellent! Is the term fading from the anti abortion folks play list? I don’t hear it so much.
They have new lies built around undermining everything we have learned over the past 50 years regarding pregnancy and abortion.
Ultimately it’s not about proving or disproving anything with the authors of these bills because they are acting on their faith alone and can’t be reasoned with. You can’t convince them the world is round. It all comes down to their power fantasy that two cells makes a fantasy baby (eg Alabama’s Friday Supreme Court ruling) and fantasy babies are more important than anything else — especially pregnant people — until they’re born which then they’re real and real people can go die in a gutter.
Alabama Supreme Court today rules that Frozen embryos are people!! Destroying them is murder, the Alabama Supreme Court Justice even invoked quotes from the Bible when he read his ruling ....
Hoping that AED might be covering this one, this is so fucking outrageous
This just kills me. I was born in OK and went to OU. I know there are people there who don’t think this way but it’s like a damn runaway train. Between this and the news out of Alabama I’m ready for someone to start legislating men wasting their sperm when they masturbate!
The Republicans strategy is no different than what the incel women-hating Anthony Comstock did. Comstock, with help from men in Congress, reclassified birth control in 1873 to pornography, thus making it a federal crime. Same type of strategy today - > reclassify birth control as an abortifacient. Once they do that with all hormonal birth control then they can re-implement the Comstock Act of 1873 in 2024.
I don't have words. Truly. I live in MO and I know we all feel the fear and just all around physically and mentally draining sickness we feel hearing all of these things. I don't know that I can live in America is a republican wins in 2024. It's already a hellscape before the 2024 election comes about. How do we fight when they're intimidating us at a signature gathering and trying to eliminate voting? How do we fight when people continue to vote for the people putting these laws in? How do we ever recover? I feel hopeless.
Please don't feel hopeless. 😊 Feel mad.....these extremists can not win. They can not roll us back centuries with lies, misinformation and radical bullshit. There are way more of us than them. Their extreme views are minority. I talk about this topic with people now. We need to get used to the word Abortion. Men need to know this too..... Because when an unplanned pregnancy happens they pay too.
Someone explain to me the tracking number post-abortion. This is so that they can "find" health problems later and report them in a database so as to make the "abortion causes harm" argument?
So the woman gets branded with a number? That's like the scarlet letter, like 24601, like 1984. This is crazy!
How about branding guys with a number who take Viagra. Let's see what "health concerns" that medication gets correlated with.
"...providing for the use of contraceptives as long as the purpose is not abortion." WOW what a phrase to parse in the bill's language! I'd like to know more about that... Whose purpose? Who gets to define that -- the maker or the taker?
They are creeps. This is coming, indeed. While tRump now lies about a 16- week national ban (after he overturned Roe and said it's all about state's rights) while they enact this stuff through the back door.
Unless, of course, Heritage just wants to give it a special section in Project 2025.
Dems better start screaming this stuff from the rooftops.
It's all about making ALL forms of hormonal birth control illegal..... that's why it's worded like that.... If this passes in Oklahoma then it will technically by right include pill, shot & implant. Or rather they "roll" that out later
Are medical organizations fighting back against these bogus procedures? Legislators can’t just make up and name medical procedures because it suits their beliefs. There is no medical procedure called maternal fetal separation. It does not exist. You can’t put that term in a medical record and label it as medical intervention, nor can you bill for it.
We have been down this road before by allowing legislatures to pronounce that a 6 week old fetus has a heartbeat and therefore abortion can be banned because of the heartbeat. A 6 week fetus does not have a heart. It has the cells necessary to form a heart, but no heart. No heart=no heartbeat. What you hear are electrical impulses. Yet, legislators have been allowed to distort the truth and use that distortion to pass laws.
As long as legislators are allowed to lie about scientifically verified facts, make up medical diagnoses and procedures that suit their point of view and enact draconian laws that determine how medical providers practice, we will continue to live in a dystopian country.
Where is the push back from medical organizations?
I swear I have seen more from the Corn industry pushing corn (or the milk industry or beef it’s what’s for dinner) than any of the actual medical establishment and it’s so pathetic. Speak out while there is time!
More from the Alabama ruling article: "Megan Legerski, 37, of Tuscaloosa, Ala., who is currently undergoing infertility treatment, said that she recently became pregnant after being implanted with an embryo created through in vitro fertilization, but that she miscarried after eight weeks.
She and her partner have three more frozen embryos that they can implant, she said."
So let's ask another question: If the frozen embryos are now "persons" and the doctor is implanting one into a woman who has a history of miscarriages, will prosecutors find that to be reckless endangerment on the doctor's part, esp if the woman miscarries?
Dobbs is a holy mess. What a debacle.
And Alito isn't reflective about it at all. He's now turning his attention to undoing Obergefell.
I know Jessica is off today but is anyone outraged by the Alabama ruling? Did you see the judge's line in the opinion? " 'Even before birth, all human beings have the image of God, and their lives cannot be destroyed without effacing his glory,' Chief Justice Tom Parker wrote in a concurring opinion, citing scripture.'
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/20/health/ivf-alabama-abortion.html
Hopefully this will hand the Dems full power in 2024. Contraception is absolutely next. Gen Z, especially, has to see that. They're not so enamored with Biden right now, but they have to know that a vote for the GOP -- ANY and ALL OF THEM -- is a vote for The Handmaid's Tale.
It is outrageous that even medical doctors are supporting this legislation . They should not have a license to practice. This legislation not only polices women with the data tracking, but puts the fear of god in medical staff who know better than to endanger pregnant women.
Not so relevant to today's topic, but I just want to say how thankful I am for your work! My best friend's daughter is a college freshman in Florida and just found out she's pregnant. I was able to immediately give her some info & suggestions like using cash to buy pregnancy test & turning off location when she visits Planned Parenthood. She's already got a trip to Chicago lined up and we'll help her schedule an abortion there. Boyfriend is supportive but we don't know how conservative his parents are.
Please write about this article from the New Republic:
https://newrepublic.com/article/179137/trump-comstock-national-abortion-ban?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=tnr_daily
Wasn't there a bill in Oklahoma several years ago that would require a woman to list the baby's father, when they conceived and other info to get an abortion? It's truly outrageous.
Thank you to the person who responded with all the background research links. Excellent! Is the term fading from the anti abortion folks play list? I don’t hear it so much.
I don’t see it used because (1) they are passed a stupid bill about it in 2003 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial-Birth_Abortion_Ban_Act and (2) they want outright bans so this language isn’t useful anymore.
They have new lies built around undermining everything we have learned over the past 50 years regarding pregnancy and abortion.
Ultimately it’s not about proving or disproving anything with the authors of these bills because they are acting on their faith alone and can’t be reasoned with. You can’t convince them the world is round. It all comes down to their power fantasy that two cells makes a fantasy baby (eg Alabama’s Friday Supreme Court ruling) and fantasy babies are more important than anything else — especially pregnant people — until they’re born which then they’re real and real people can go die in a gutter.
Alabama Supreme Court today rules that Frozen embryos are people!! Destroying them is murder, the Alabama Supreme Court Justice even invoked quotes from the Bible when he read his ruling ....
Hoping that AED might be covering this one, this is so fucking outrageous
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/02/19/alabama-supreme-court-embryos-children-ivf/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJyZWFzb24iOiJnaWZ0IiwibmJmIjoxNzA4MzE4ODAwLCJpc3MiOiJzdWJzY3JpcHRpb25zIiwiZXhwIjoxNzA5NzAxMTk5LCJpYXQiOjE3MDgzMTg4MDAsImp0aSI6ImI2OWFjOGZjLTRlZGQtNDQ3YS1iY2QwLWYzZGViMDYxNzA2NyIsInVybCI6Imh0dHBzOi8vd3d3Lndhc2hpbmd0b25wb3N0LmNvbS9wb2xpdGljcy8yMDI0LzAyLzE5L2FsYWJhbWEtc3VwcmVtZS1jb3VydC1lbWJyeW9zLWNoaWxkcmVuLWl2Zi8ifQ.zxeMqnpHVDdxi0zmFc6yXemQQSnTxJWxSeKq3dH6XNU
I’m sure they will. Jess should take her break. There is always going to be outrage. Marathon, not sprint.
I've been outraged everyday for nearly 2 years. Lol. I should slow down a bit.
Until we pass national protections for uterus havers that can sail through SCOTUS (multiple times? Blarg) we have more to do.
From jezebel yesterday
https://www.jezebel.com/alabama-supreme-court-rules-frozen-embryos-are-children-in-chilling-legal-first
This just kills me. I was born in OK and went to OU. I know there are people there who don’t think this way but it’s like a damn runaway train. Between this and the news out of Alabama I’m ready for someone to start legislating men wasting their sperm when they masturbate!
The Republicans strategy is no different than what the incel women-hating Anthony Comstock did. Comstock, with help from men in Congress, reclassified birth control in 1873 to pornography, thus making it a federal crime. Same type of strategy today - > reclassify birth control as an abortifacient. Once they do that with all hormonal birth control then they can re-implement the Comstock Act of 1873 in 2024.
I don't have words. Truly. I live in MO and I know we all feel the fear and just all around physically and mentally draining sickness we feel hearing all of these things. I don't know that I can live in America is a republican wins in 2024. It's already a hellscape before the 2024 election comes about. How do we fight when they're intimidating us at a signature gathering and trying to eliminate voting? How do we fight when people continue to vote for the people putting these laws in? How do we ever recover? I feel hopeless.
Please don't feel hopeless. 😊 Feel mad.....these extremists can not win. They can not roll us back centuries with lies, misinformation and radical bullshit. There are way more of us than them. Their extreme views are minority. I talk about this topic with people now. We need to get used to the word Abortion. Men need to know this too..... Because when an unplanned pregnancy happens they pay too.
Oh, I'm mad too! I won't ever stop fighting and educating!! I agree!
Someone explain to me the tracking number post-abortion. This is so that they can "find" health problems later and report them in a database so as to make the "abortion causes harm" argument?
So the woman gets branded with a number? That's like the scarlet letter, like 24601, like 1984. This is crazy!
How about branding guys with a number who take Viagra. Let's see what "health concerns" that medication gets correlated with.
"...providing for the use of contraceptives as long as the purpose is not abortion." WOW what a phrase to parse in the bill's language! I'd like to know more about that... Whose purpose? Who gets to define that -- the maker or the taker?
They are creeps. This is coming, indeed. While tRump now lies about a 16- week national ban (after he overturned Roe and said it's all about state's rights) while they enact this stuff through the back door.
Unless, of course, Heritage just wants to give it a special section in Project 2025.
Dems better start screaming this stuff from the rooftops.
We don’t let them them win. And it needs to be emphasized that state and local elections matter just as much as if not more than a POTUS vote.
It's all about making ALL forms of hormonal birth control illegal..... that's why it's worded like that.... If this passes in Oklahoma then it will technically by right include pill, shot & implant. Or rather they "roll" that out later
I mean, why would anyone with options intentionally start a family, have sex, or live in the US for that matter?
Because people don’t understand pregnancy so they don’t know better.
I’m at my limit, honestly, with this crap. What is there even to say anymore. Grateful for the reporting and the community and the outrage.
Are medical organizations fighting back against these bogus procedures? Legislators can’t just make up and name medical procedures because it suits their beliefs. There is no medical procedure called maternal fetal separation. It does not exist. You can’t put that term in a medical record and label it as medical intervention, nor can you bill for it.
We have been down this road before by allowing legislatures to pronounce that a 6 week old fetus has a heartbeat and therefore abortion can be banned because of the heartbeat. A 6 week fetus does not have a heart. It has the cells necessary to form a heart, but no heart. No heart=no heartbeat. What you hear are electrical impulses. Yet, legislators have been allowed to distort the truth and use that distortion to pass laws.
As long as legislators are allowed to lie about scientifically verified facts, make up medical diagnoses and procedures that suit their point of view and enact draconian laws that determine how medical providers practice, we will continue to live in a dystopian country.
Where is the push back from medical organizations?
Absolutely where is the medical establishment? Excellent point
I swear I have seen more from the Corn industry pushing corn (or the milk industry or beef it’s what’s for dinner) than any of the actual medical establishment and it’s so pathetic. Speak out while there is time!
This question exactly.