I’ve been feeling this for awhile. I do sympathize with doctors suddenly facing possible jail time if they treat their patients, I still think they are important in this fight. I read something right after Dobbs ended when the daughter of a doc who had performed abortions. She grew up understanding the importance of her father’s work to help women decide their own lives and destiny, but she also said that by sending the procedure to these isolated clinics to protect hospitals and doctors offices from being overrun by zealots that that had conceded something, at least that was my read. Why can’t we have this procedure with all the public anonymity we have for any other medical procedure?
During the pandemic I also remember scientists weighing in on what for many was their first call to be a collective voice politically. Scientists typically don’t foray into politics until one party decides that science isn’t to be believed.
And Doctors aren't typically political activists but they do as a collective have immense power. Jessica’s mention of the doctors saying straight up we are not misinterpreting and these laws are killing women. It’s time they organize as a profession around this, no matter what the results end up.
I’ve been playing a lot of Ani DiFranco today as she is my personal hero. (Jessica is running for a close second. She is right up there with Gloria Steinem and Eddie Vedder)
But also that Ani’s been writing songs and poems about this since she and I, was a teenager. For someone who was around for the clinic bombings in Massachusetts and elsewhere “Hello Birmingham” brings me to tears every time. But the song I always return to when I feel lost is Willing to Fight.
“I was a long time coming, I’ll be a long time gone, you’ve got your whole life to do something and that’s not very long, why don’t you give me a call when you decide you’re willing to fight, for what you think is real, for what you think is right.”
Here’s hoping this community gets to celebrate instead of grieve. We all need a win really badly right now.
Thinking this over again, I wonder if I would have had my own kids if there had been abortion bans in place then. I honestly think not. I would have been scared to death and wouldn't have risked it. Too many things can go wrong in a pregnancy. Abortion IS healthcare.
What it comes down to is that it will simply be too dangerous to become pregnant in America. Do these right-wing "pro-life" radical realize this? Their mission to produce more babies will in fact result in an opposite effect; more women will choose NOT to have children.
I am not sure it is their mission though because if it is, they can't be this clueless. It is some kind of religious zealotry, some kind of vendetta, notice that it is always the fucking men who don't understand the science or the lived experience of a woman. These men are barbaric and lack humanity. We should transport them to the middle ages.
Right, though I think they just might be that clueless. They seem to have a hard time understanding what incentivizes people. They don't have the empathy to dig into that. They are indeed barbaric.
They are definitely that clueless. Remember they live in a special religious zealot bubble where in their minds they are bringing the Godless back to the light where hey, and I’m sure it’s a coincidence, men have all the power. Sorry, God said. Nothing we can do. All of it is a rationalization of a lust for power and control. Throughout history that has worn many faces.
In their fantasy, women don't have a choice, to not have children. Which yes means forced marriage and sexual assault. The idea is to take away all of women's economic power, so they 'have to' attach to a man. That's how horrific these people's 'thinking' is. I agree it's very unlikely to turn out that way, but I don't think these people live in the same reality that the rest of us do. Because yes, you're exactly right.
And if the wife dies in forced childbirth, no biggie, the man will just have to get another woman to impregnate, (as said in the Seth Abramson ad/clip I posted).
I have been disheartened by how little mainstream coverage these deaths and the rising maternal and infant mortality rates have gotten. It should be a top story pushed in people’s faces, but gets less coverage than Biden’s gaffes or trump’s McDonald’s stunt. And most of the coverage is still in columns by women opinion and analysis journalists, not hard news. If it were not for Jessica’s excellent work, would the suffering and death of women in red states have gotten any coverage at all? The only way my rural NC mom hears anything about this is what I tell her. I just hope enough women have gotten the memo to swing this election for Harris.
Totally agree. I've been so disappointed by the big news outlets. This issue should be a ticker on their front pages, like the recent polls are. They should daily track the insanity being floated in all state houses (what's said and proposed, not just where the bans are) and nationally in regard to *our bodies.* In the printed papers, above the fold, where the passersby might catch the headlines.
WHAT VALUES HAVE OUR SOLDIERS RISKED THEIR LIVES FOR?
For those who have not yet voted in this election, let us ask ourselves: What did hundreds of thousands of American soldiers throughout our history risk their lives for as they headed into battle, with many never to return?
Was it to install an egotistical despot who propelled an angry mob of his followers to violently lay siege to the Capitol, leaving bodies strewn on the ground, in execution of a fraudulent plot to prop him back onto his throne?
Was it to enable a snake-oil salesman, with a list of felony convictions, sexual molestations, and business frauds to lie and cheat his way back into office?
Was it to promote the imposition of white supremacy and a white male Christian dominated theocracy that would defeat the aspirations of our founding fathers?
Was it to reduce the status of women to second class citizens devoid of the right to control their own bodies?
Was it to insure that our President could exercise total immunity for the commission of crimes. including crimes against his political enemies and anyone else who stands in his way?
Was it to enable our egotistical leader to stuff his cabinet with cranks, crackpots, sycophants, ex-cons, misfits and scoundrels as pay-back for their election support?
Was it install as President a man who has consistently demonstrated his contempt for soldiers who went into battle to defend our values but who were either wounded or captured?
If you were in a landing craft in the early morning hours of D-Day headed for the Normandy beachheads, how would you answer these questions?
Dah.......yeah, Citizens Directed Initiatives (ballots) are there for a reason - THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.......to ensure state legislators checks & balances. It's funny when the 'will of the people' is used for democratic initiatives......and not the normal republican gaslighting. Not every state has this citizen ballot option. They should!
Jessica, come what may tomorrow, thank you so much for being here, giving so much of yourself for all of us. I do not know how I would have coped without you and all up to now. Onward onward onward.
Here's the thing, both Crain and her mother were staunchly in the "pro-life" column. The teenager was likely brainwashed, but her mother had no excuse. So while I feel bed about it, I can't muster any empathy.
It is ironic that a teenager who was "pro-life", and who was happy about her pregnancy experienced a miscarriage that, because she was "treated" at a Catholic hospital, died.
I'm sorry for thr family; if her mother can't figure out that being "pro-life" doesn't guarantee that nothing bad will ever happen to her or her family, well, I don't know what to say.
The particularly unfortunate fact was Crain took her septic daughter to a Catholic hospital. Pre Roe particularly, and even after, women advised each other and their daughters to avoid Catholic hospitals if they were in trouble with their pregnancy. The Catholic hospitals set the “life” of the fetus (even if it was dying as in this case) over the life of the mother. Husbands were given a choice of sorts. But imagine the husband who ends up with no wife and no child - but being a good Catholic - may have 4, now motherless children at home to manage along with supporting the household.
Welcome to one of the reasons why Roe became law in the first place and the Christian Evangelicals didn’t argue about it too many women were dying. That was until Jerry Falwell made it politically advantageous for his Evangelical church to do so.
Falwell and his fellow evangelicals latched onto abortion when they figured out that railing against racial integration was no longer a winning strategy.
There are also people like me who had no idea that Catholic hospitals could deny me life-saving care even when Roe and EMTALA were law. I’m not Catholic and had no idea how barbaric their policy was and is. They discovered my pregnancy was ectopic and sent me away to figure it out myself. This was my local hospital in the nineties where my daughter was born and I had no reason to think they wouldn’t take care of me. I know Catholic women who refuse to believe they did/do this. Folks, even after we restore reproductive rights, we have to address this problem. The Catholic hospitals are hurting us when we’re most vulnerable. It happens even in blue states.
Most people have very little option about which hospital to go to--it's likely that the only hospital in-network for their insurance, or maybe the only hospital within reasonable geographic range--is a Catholic hospital. It's not that the person made a poor choice, but that the Catholic hospital was the only one available.
Thanks Jessica. I will be working the polls till 7pm or later. Will miss the live feed! Staying cautiously hopeful. I hope people have been stockpiling Plan B, C, condoms and birth control pill. Even if Harris wins things will get dicey! Put on your seat belts either way its gonna be a wild ride.
There was a quote from Kate Chopin's Awakening, I'm paraphrasing a lot... "One must have strong wings to fly high above the realm of tradition, otherwise you'll come crashing down with broken wings." I'm gonna stretch my wings and fly high and stay strong. I crashed and almost burned long ago. Life is too short and precious to give into bullies. Sending loving kindness to all. 🌻💮🌸
This is exactly why I do not believe in "the letter of the Law!" There is no law that I am aware of whose purpose is to cause the death of a pregnant woman. The purpose of a doctor, on the other hand, is to "save lives!' Therefore, every action and decision they make should be toward that end -- consequences be damned! Doctors, do your job and the people will support you. In America, you will not be condemned for taking the right action. However, we should never use "exceptions" to justify or allow the killing of innocent lives.
Your phony concern for women isn't fooling anyone here.
These laws are deliberately written to be vague about what conditions or circumstances would permit an abortion. Some laws also contain language threatening healthcare providers with arrest and proprosecution if they perform abortions. Damn few people are knowingly going to risk that.
The forced birth ghouls who write these laws hold women in contempt. This is a power trip for these men, and the contemptible women who enable them.
Forced birth is worse as it leads to death. Google Rachel Maddow’s appearance on Ali Belshi on Sunday, November 3rd or read ProPublica’s reporting. 18 year old with a wanted pregnancy denied care for three days and died. You cannot legislate medical emergencies. You can only empower doctors to save lives.
Bullshit! When you make laws that outlaw the procedure that saves women’s lives during a naturally occurring miscarriage, you KILL women. May I suggest you actually READ Jessica Valentin’s research or get the fuck off of her Substack thread? We don’t need your judgement and misinformation. Women can make decisions for themselves.
A miscarriage is not the same as an abortion. If anything that I have said is not true, correct me. Make all the decisions for yourself that you want to: I am just trying to speak on behalf of your child that your decision might harm. Your "choice" is between a living human being and a dead one. In the rare case where the choice is between two living human beings, the mother's life takes precedent.
This is not a matter of doctors not doing their jobs. In TX, for example, Attorney General Ken Paxton has threatened doctors with severe consequences for performing abortions, including years long prison terms and revocation of their licenses.
Doctors are licensed to practice medicine in a state, not by the federal government, so saying that "America will support them" ignores the realities that doctors practice under and the laws they're subject to.
The abortion bans are written intentionally vague, and difficult to apply to the multiple situations that arise with women. This makes treatment difficult because who wants to do something that could get them arrested and their license revoked?
It is so ironic that it is the laws-not doctors, not women seeking reproductive healthcare-that are responsible for the issues; yet people want to point fingers anywhere else but that law.
Without the presence of the laws, doctors would treat appropriately and women would be able to get the healthcare they need when they need it.
The laws are the creators of all the issues. Repeal the laws, there would be no issues.
Talking about "innocent" is also a slippery slope. This implies that women are at fault for seeking healthcare, that this is somehow a bad thing, nothing is farther from the truth.
Healthcare is healthcare. "Innocent" is not a criteria for eligibility to receive healthcare. Doctors do not determine "innocence" when treating someone, they just treat them, unless of course it is against the law.
Doctors require an OR and staff in order to do a D&C. They can be blocked from using the OR by hospital administrators and they may not be able to find staff willing to risk their careers. The laws are intended to create fear, intimidation and inaction.
By "innocent" he means the fetus. His contention is that somehow women might use exceptions to get abortions. It is always the men, the fucking men in this evil parade. They don't understand the science but want to police women and get them killed while doing it.
Troll, please. What about women with wanted pregnancies who are dying? And, how would you feel when the federal government forces you to give up blood, bone marrow, a kidney or part of your liver to save the life of another person? Pretty sure you’d say no way. It’s my body.
The life of the mother takes precedent in the rare cases where that is the ONLY choice. And it is her choice. I would consider helping a dying person, if I could. The Federal Government does not have the Constitutional Authority to "force" the issue! I am God's Steward of "my" body.
Tim, you're a forced birth troll. You don't care about women. To you, and the pathetic, contemptible men who keep company with you, women are sex toys, and housekeepers, to be discarded when we no longer are of use.
You hate women probably because intelligent women see you for what you are - a misogynist.
Thank the stars we don't know anyone like you in real life and if we do, we would avoid them like the plague. Your wife and daughters are secretly voting for freedom/Harris this election.
My wife didn't: She is too thankful for her American Citizenship to vote for someone who wants to make us like her native China. Unlike Walz, she WAS close enough to Tiananmen Square to hear the "shots fired."
You have identified our real problem: How can we learn how to live together if you are avoiding me? I realize that you may not want to do that, but you do not have the right to force me to live the way you do either.
I wonder if this is the anti-abortion people's new tactic, misrepresent the laws and blame the doctors, like Jessica has been writing about. Ken Paxton is right there with an arrest warrant and life imprisonment if those doctors had given the young woman the life saving care. And if she survived they would have arrested her and put her in jail for causing miscarriage.
It's exactly like the 'test' to see if you're a witch; if you float, you're a witch (and get burned at the stake), but if you drown, you were innocent. The only way you can 'prove' the woman's life was in danger is if she went on to die. If you perform a procedure to save her, well, how do we really know her life was in danger and that you weren't just performing an illegal, heavily penalized abortion?
Not the least bit surprising that it's like the witch test since the idea came from exactly the same people.
No wonder doctors are confused. Reproductive care doesn't fit into neat cookie cutter molds. Wait too long to treat, the woman suffers and dies; treat promptly and appropriately yet run the risk of having someone haul you on the carpet for following the standard of care years later.
Doctors are the ones that are trained to care for people, who know how to treat, when to treat, and the value of treating sooner, rather than later.
Legislators have no business inserting themselves into this. Leave it to the judgment of the doctor.
Which is where is used to be before anti abortion legislators created an environment that places the doctor in legal jeopardy, the woman's life in danger, and nothing good comes from it.
We mapped the stories of abortion ban victims (including Nevaeh Crain and Josseli Barnica) and the Senators in their states who pushed for abortion bans. Check this interactive map, and vote to hold MAGA Republicans accountable.
There are some incorrect entries on it. Brittany Watts, for one, lives in OH, not Indiana. There are also omissions, such as in South Carolina, which does not show anything, but there has been at least one woman that was arrested for a miscarriage.
I do like how the representatives are connected to their respective states and the women who have died or suffered or been arrested because of their laws.
I’ve been feeling this for awhile. I do sympathize with doctors suddenly facing possible jail time if they treat their patients, I still think they are important in this fight. I read something right after Dobbs ended when the daughter of a doc who had performed abortions. She grew up understanding the importance of her father’s work to help women decide their own lives and destiny, but she also said that by sending the procedure to these isolated clinics to protect hospitals and doctors offices from being overrun by zealots that that had conceded something, at least that was my read. Why can’t we have this procedure with all the public anonymity we have for any other medical procedure?
During the pandemic I also remember scientists weighing in on what for many was their first call to be a collective voice politically. Scientists typically don’t foray into politics until one party decides that science isn’t to be believed.
And Doctors aren't typically political activists but they do as a collective have immense power. Jessica’s mention of the doctors saying straight up we are not misinterpreting and these laws are killing women. It’s time they organize as a profession around this, no matter what the results end up.
I’ve been playing a lot of Ani DiFranco today as she is my personal hero. (Jessica is running for a close second. She is right up there with Gloria Steinem and Eddie Vedder)
But also that Ani’s been writing songs and poems about this since she and I, was a teenager. For someone who was around for the clinic bombings in Massachusetts and elsewhere “Hello Birmingham” brings me to tears every time. But the song I always return to when I feel lost is Willing to Fight.
“I was a long time coming, I’ll be a long time gone, you’ve got your whole life to do something and that’s not very long, why don’t you give me a call when you decide you’re willing to fight, for what you think is real, for what you think is right.”
Here’s hoping this community gets to celebrate instead of grieve. We all need a win really badly right now.
Thank you for your hard work. It’s gotten so painful to hear all these stories and know that there so many more that we haven’t heard.
Regarding Casey De Satan, she and the other Republicans keep forgetting about the over THREE MILLION independent voters. We vote and we’re pissed.
Never ever give this guy the WH. Vote! Priceless reaction from Wallace in the video in the link.
Karly Kingsley
@karlykingsley
“Oh, JD Vance, You just effed up in a way that I’ve never seen in my political life. And I worked for Sarah Palin.” - Nicole Wallace.
https://x.com/karlykingsley/status/1853631866362093785
Thinking this over again, I wonder if I would have had my own kids if there had been abortion bans in place then. I honestly think not. I would have been scared to death and wouldn't have risked it. Too many things can go wrong in a pregnancy. Abortion IS healthcare.
I worry about any young relatives having children in states with abortion bans. What is something goes wrong?
Women and men who love them... it is your day! Remember this?
“Women are not without electoral or political power.”
—Samuel Alito, writing for the Supreme Court majority overturning Roe v. Wade.
What it comes down to is that it will simply be too dangerous to become pregnant in America. Do these right-wing "pro-life" radical realize this? Their mission to produce more babies will in fact result in an opposite effect; more women will choose NOT to have children.
I am not sure it is their mission though because if it is, they can't be this clueless. It is some kind of religious zealotry, some kind of vendetta, notice that it is always the fucking men who don't understand the science or the lived experience of a woman. These men are barbaric and lack humanity. We should transport them to the middle ages.
Right, though I think they just might be that clueless. They seem to have a hard time understanding what incentivizes people. They don't have the empathy to dig into that. They are indeed barbaric.
They are definitely that clueless. Remember they live in a special religious zealot bubble where in their minds they are bringing the Godless back to the light where hey, and I’m sure it’s a coincidence, men have all the power. Sorry, God said. Nothing we can do. All of it is a rationalization of a lust for power and control. Throughout history that has worn many faces.
In their fantasy, women don't have a choice, to not have children. Which yes means forced marriage and sexual assault. The idea is to take away all of women's economic power, so they 'have to' attach to a man. That's how horrific these people's 'thinking' is. I agree it's very unlikely to turn out that way, but I don't think these people live in the same reality that the rest of us do. Because yes, you're exactly right.
And if the wife dies in forced childbirth, no biggie, the man will just have to get another woman to impregnate, (as said in the Seth Abramson ad/clip I posted).
That’s what they did in the 1800s. That seems to be their idea of the golden age.
I have been disheartened by how little mainstream coverage these deaths and the rising maternal and infant mortality rates have gotten. It should be a top story pushed in people’s faces, but gets less coverage than Biden’s gaffes or trump’s McDonald’s stunt. And most of the coverage is still in columns by women opinion and analysis journalists, not hard news. If it were not for Jessica’s excellent work, would the suffering and death of women in red states have gotten any coverage at all? The only way my rural NC mom hears anything about this is what I tell her. I just hope enough women have gotten the memo to swing this election for Harris.
Totally agree. I've been so disappointed by the big news outlets. This issue should be a ticker on their front pages, like the recent polls are. They should daily track the insanity being floated in all state houses (what's said and proposed, not just where the bans are) and nationally in regard to *our bodies.* In the printed papers, above the fold, where the passersby might catch the headlines.
I just so wish Propublica was mainstream doing everyday news replacing NYT/WAPO. I would give them money.
Dear anti abortion ghouls,
The laws that you lobbied for are the reason women are dying and having trouble accessing reproductive healthcare.
It is not the fault of doctors, women, or pro choice people who are allegedly scaring doctors.
It is the laws that YOU lobbied for.
It is your success. Yours. YOU own this, and the blood of women is on YOUR hands.
Stop lying. We see through them.
From a human being.
WHAT VALUES HAVE OUR SOLDIERS RISKED THEIR LIVES FOR?
For those who have not yet voted in this election, let us ask ourselves: What did hundreds of thousands of American soldiers throughout our history risk their lives for as they headed into battle, with many never to return?
Was it to install an egotistical despot who propelled an angry mob of his followers to violently lay siege to the Capitol, leaving bodies strewn on the ground, in execution of a fraudulent plot to prop him back onto his throne?
Was it to enable a snake-oil salesman, with a list of felony convictions, sexual molestations, and business frauds to lie and cheat his way back into office?
Was it to promote the imposition of white supremacy and a white male Christian dominated theocracy that would defeat the aspirations of our founding fathers?
Was it to reduce the status of women to second class citizens devoid of the right to control their own bodies?
Was it to insure that our President could exercise total immunity for the commission of crimes. including crimes against his political enemies and anyone else who stands in his way?
Was it to enable our egotistical leader to stuff his cabinet with cranks, crackpots, sycophants, ex-cons, misfits and scoundrels as pay-back for their election support?
Was it install as President a man who has consistently demonstrated his contempt for soldiers who went into battle to defend our values but who were either wounded or captured?
If you were in a landing craft in the early morning hours of D-Day headed for the Normandy beachheads, how would you answer these questions?
Video clip in the tweet:
"I am your Republican congressman and we have banned abortion..." the wife is writhing in pain on the floor. Tough ad but this is what it has come to.
https://x.com/SethAbramson/status/1853211237145890902
The actor portraying the GOP congresscritter is scary AF.
Yes. And the real ones look as slimy and lecherous as this actor.
Casey DeSantis is as fuckin dumb as her husband!
Dah.......yeah, Citizens Directed Initiatives (ballots) are there for a reason - THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.......to ensure state legislators checks & balances. It's funny when the 'will of the people' is used for democratic initiatives......and not the normal republican gaslighting. Not every state has this citizen ballot option. They should!
Casey DeSantis is 2024's Serena Joy.
Jessica, come what may tomorrow, thank you so much for being here, giving so much of yourself for all of us. I do not know how I would have coped without you and all up to now. Onward onward onward.
Here's the thing, both Crain and her mother were staunchly in the "pro-life" column. The teenager was likely brainwashed, but her mother had no excuse. So while I feel bed about it, I can't muster any empathy.
It is ironic that a teenager who was "pro-life", and who was happy about her pregnancy experienced a miscarriage that, because she was "treated" at a Catholic hospital, died.
I'm sorry for thr family; if her mother can't figure out that being "pro-life" doesn't guarantee that nothing bad will ever happen to her or her family, well, I don't know what to say.
The particularly unfortunate fact was Crain took her septic daughter to a Catholic hospital. Pre Roe particularly, and even after, women advised each other and their daughters to avoid Catholic hospitals if they were in trouble with their pregnancy. The Catholic hospitals set the “life” of the fetus (even if it was dying as in this case) over the life of the mother. Husbands were given a choice of sorts. But imagine the husband who ends up with no wife and no child - but being a good Catholic - may have 4, now motherless children at home to manage along with supporting the household.
Welcome to one of the reasons why Roe became law in the first place and the Christian Evangelicals didn’t argue about it too many women were dying. That was until Jerry Falwell made it politically advantageous for his Evangelical church to do so.
Falwell and his fellow evangelicals latched onto abortion when they figured out that railing against racial integration was no longer a winning strategy.
There are also people like me who had no idea that Catholic hospitals could deny me life-saving care even when Roe and EMTALA were law. I’m not Catholic and had no idea how barbaric their policy was and is. They discovered my pregnancy was ectopic and sent me away to figure it out myself. This was my local hospital in the nineties where my daughter was born and I had no reason to think they wouldn’t take care of me. I know Catholic women who refuse to believe they did/do this. Folks, even after we restore reproductive rights, we have to address this problem. The Catholic hospitals are hurting us when we’re most vulnerable. It happens even in blue states.
Most people have very little option about which hospital to go to--it's likely that the only hospital in-network for their insurance, or maybe the only hospital within reasonable geographic range--is a Catholic hospital. It's not that the person made a poor choice, but that the Catholic hospital was the only one available.
Yep, Jerry and Paul Weyrich. Bastards
Thanks Jessica. I will be working the polls till 7pm or later. Will miss the live feed! Staying cautiously hopeful. I hope people have been stockpiling Plan B, C, condoms and birth control pill. Even if Harris wins things will get dicey! Put on your seat belts either way its gonna be a wild ride.
There was a quote from Kate Chopin's Awakening, I'm paraphrasing a lot... "One must have strong wings to fly high above the realm of tradition, otherwise you'll come crashing down with broken wings." I'm gonna stretch my wings and fly high and stay strong. I crashed and almost burned long ago. Life is too short and precious to give into bullies. Sending loving kindness to all. 🌻💮🌸
Thank you for working the polls!
Thank you for working the polls. 👍😊
This is exactly why I do not believe in "the letter of the Law!" There is no law that I am aware of whose purpose is to cause the death of a pregnant woman. The purpose of a doctor, on the other hand, is to "save lives!' Therefore, every action and decision they make should be toward that end -- consequences be damned! Doctors, do your job and the people will support you. In America, you will not be condemned for taking the right action. However, we should never use "exceptions" to justify or allow the killing of innocent lives.
Your phony concern for women isn't fooling anyone here.
These laws are deliberately written to be vague about what conditions or circumstances would permit an abortion. Some laws also contain language threatening healthcare providers with arrest and proprosecution if they perform abortions. Damn few people are knowingly going to risk that.
The forced birth ghouls who write these laws hold women in contempt. This is a power trip for these men, and the contemptible women who enable them.
Your ability to judge peoples motives is remarkable, albeit wrong.
Which is worse: "Forced birth" or "forced death?"
Forced birth is worse as it leads to death. Google Rachel Maddow’s appearance on Ali Belshi on Sunday, November 3rd or read ProPublica’s reporting. 18 year old with a wanted pregnancy denied care for three days and died. You cannot legislate medical emergencies. You can only empower doctors to save lives.
This in not an either/or. No one advocates for killing woman.
Bullshit! When you make laws that outlaw the procedure that saves women’s lives during a naturally occurring miscarriage, you KILL women. May I suggest you actually READ Jessica Valentin’s research or get the fuck off of her Substack thread? We don’t need your judgement and misinformation. Women can make decisions for themselves.
A miscarriage is not the same as an abortion. If anything that I have said is not true, correct me. Make all the decisions for yourself that you want to: I am just trying to speak on behalf of your child that your decision might harm. Your "choice" is between a living human being and a dead one. In the rare case where the choice is between two living human beings, the mother's life takes precedent.
This is not a matter of doctors not doing their jobs. In TX, for example, Attorney General Ken Paxton has threatened doctors with severe consequences for performing abortions, including years long prison terms and revocation of their licenses.
Doctors are licensed to practice medicine in a state, not by the federal government, so saying that "America will support them" ignores the realities that doctors practice under and the laws they're subject to.
The abortion bans are written intentionally vague, and difficult to apply to the multiple situations that arise with women. This makes treatment difficult because who wants to do something that could get them arrested and their license revoked?
It is so ironic that it is the laws-not doctors, not women seeking reproductive healthcare-that are responsible for the issues; yet people want to point fingers anywhere else but that law.
Without the presence of the laws, doctors would treat appropriately and women would be able to get the healthcare they need when they need it.
The laws are the creators of all the issues. Repeal the laws, there would be no issues.
Talking about "innocent" is also a slippery slope. This implies that women are at fault for seeking healthcare, that this is somehow a bad thing, nothing is farther from the truth.
Healthcare is healthcare. "Innocent" is not a criteria for eligibility to receive healthcare. Doctors do not determine "innocence" when treating someone, they just treat them, unless of course it is against the law.
Doctors require an OR and staff in order to do a D&C. They can be blocked from using the OR by hospital administrators and they may not be able to find staff willing to risk their careers. The laws are intended to create fear, intimidation and inaction.
By "innocent" he means the fetus. His contention is that somehow women might use exceptions to get abortions. It is always the men, the fucking men in this evil parade. They don't understand the science but want to police women and get them killed while doing it.
Troll, please. What about women with wanted pregnancies who are dying? And, how would you feel when the federal government forces you to give up blood, bone marrow, a kidney or part of your liver to save the life of another person? Pretty sure you’d say no way. It’s my body.
The life of the mother takes precedent in the rare cases where that is the ONLY choice. And it is her choice. I would consider helping a dying person, if I could. The Federal Government does not have the Constitutional Authority to "force" the issue! I am God's Steward of "my" body.
Tim, you're a forced birth troll. You don't care about women. To you, and the pathetic, contemptible men who keep company with you, women are sex toys, and housekeepers, to be discarded when we no longer are of use.
You hate women probably because intelligent women see you for what you are - a misogynist.
You don't even know me. You should talk to my wife or my daughters, one of whom is a doctor.
Thank the stars we don't know anyone like you in real life and if we do, we would avoid them like the plague. Your wife and daughters are secretly voting for freedom/Harris this election.
My wife didn't: She is too thankful for her American Citizenship to vote for someone who wants to make us like her native China. Unlike Walz, she WAS close enough to Tiananmen Square to hear the "shots fired."
You have identified our real problem: How can we learn how to live together if you are avoiding me? I realize that you may not want to do that, but you do not have the right to force me to live the way you do either.
If only. The most likely outcome is the local DA will have the doctor arrested and put on trial.
I wonder if this is the anti-abortion people's new tactic, misrepresent the laws and blame the doctors, like Jessica has been writing about. Ken Paxton is right there with an arrest warrant and life imprisonment if those doctors had given the young woman the life saving care. And if she survived they would have arrested her and put her in jail for causing miscarriage.
It's exactly like the 'test' to see if you're a witch; if you float, you're a witch (and get burned at the stake), but if you drown, you were innocent. The only way you can 'prove' the woman's life was in danger is if she went on to die. If you perform a procedure to save her, well, how do we really know her life was in danger and that you weren't just performing an illegal, heavily penalized abortion?
Not the least bit surprising that it's like the witch test since the idea came from exactly the same people.
No wonder doctors are confused. Reproductive care doesn't fit into neat cookie cutter molds. Wait too long to treat, the woman suffers and dies; treat promptly and appropriately yet run the risk of having someone haul you on the carpet for following the standard of care years later.
Doctors are the ones that are trained to care for people, who know how to treat, when to treat, and the value of treating sooner, rather than later.
Legislators have no business inserting themselves into this. Leave it to the judgment of the doctor.
Which is where is used to be before anti abortion legislators created an environment that places the doctor in legal jeopardy, the woman's life in danger, and nothing good comes from it.
The "test" has no place in medicine.
Yes. That's the problem when the type of people who would hunt witches get into positions of power.
Exactly right. Twisted and evil.
We mapped the stories of abortion ban victims (including Nevaeh Crain and Josseli Barnica) and the Senators in their states who pushed for abortion bans. Check this interactive map, and vote to hold MAGA Republicans accountable.
https://embed.kumu.io/8086e550b68fcd5a7bf3d20f457c73bf
There are some incorrect entries on it. Brittany Watts, for one, lives in OH, not Indiana. There are also omissions, such as in South Carolina, which does not show anything, but there has been at least one woman that was arrested for a miscarriage.
I do like how the representatives are connected to their respective states and the women who have died or suffered or been arrested because of their laws.
Great map