"The current scientific consensus is that rape is at least as likely to lead to pregnancy as consensual sexual intercourse, with some studies suggesting rape may actually result in higher rates of pregnancy than consensual intercourse.[1][2][3]"
Tell that to the puppet that runs the Students for Life.
And while you're at it, tell the GOP the "Pro-Family Party" they could have prevented 60% of all abortions in the last 50 years by supporting MARRIED MOTHERS WITH CHILDREN. It has been married mothers throughout all of human history that have had the MOST abortions. It's almost like there's a reproductive flaw/failing in the "perfection" that is touted as nuclear family unit. The men are more than willing to make them, but they've made it abundantly clear that is the extent of their participation, hence the historical NEED to reduce the burdens of the Mother.
Make them EXPLAIN that reality. That in their pro-religion, patriarchal system, that it is the women they share their bed with who would be the ones MOST LIKELY to end a pregnancy, for the sake of themselves and their living children.
All the Serena Joys needed to wake the hell up before she loses more than a finger for reading the Bible. Conservative women need to realize how abortion, miscarriage care, their men believing the dying having the right to rot in the womb, how "Christian Men" view RAPE and INCEST as acceptable forms of reproduction, ARE ALL DIRECT FORMS ACTS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. They are telling YOU THIS IS TO CONTROL YOU. TO OWN YOUR BODY.
If they're out there spreading lies that can be pointed out on WIKIPEDIA, I pray for the soul of every Conservative Christian Woman that's going to sleep next to the Devil tonight, selling all the rest of us out so she'll feel slightly more loved and a little less abused and used by her "spiritual" leader creep of a husband.
I saw & read a BBC article about Hawkins last night. Highly recommend. I’m gong to force myself to finish the broadcast today. From a policy standpoint she has essentially outdone her pro-life organizational counterparts by taking an all or nothing stance and is bullying the R party candidates/legislators because “she doesn’t care about the party. It’s not her concern.” This is causing a rift because the Susan B Anthony group & others like it have operated on an incremental change philosophy…* to not lose too many votes.*
She is right in there with the MAGA & Christian Nationalist mindset. Use the extreme. Flip the pro-choice verbiage on its head. My way or the highway. I’m right, you are wrong. Pre-born babies deserve personhood & all the complications (phrased as bonuses) for women that brings. It’s a mindfk.
The comment in this thread about removed from reality has a point, except I think this truly is her reality, for now. She has no hospital, OBGYN, economic cost experience. She is surrounded by like minded people & discounts anything that competes with her feelings about pre-born babies. Feelings that were originally formed from watching a video, produced in 1984, that was essentially a pro-life propaganda falsehood product.
Per article: She’s 38 & living in a large trailer with her husband & 4 kids traveling around the country. Her husband, who has teaching credentials, is home schooling. Essentially, a self created bubble funded by like minded converts. When Pro-Publica gets done researching SCOTUS, maybe their talented researchers will dig into the dark money behind this operation & others like it.
She even mentions the "lack" data collected on medical issues after abortion. Looks like you called it again on them starting to collect "data" in some states. It hurt to listen to her inconsistencies and obviou misinformation. Thanks for wading through these types of interviews to bring us coverage on everything abortion.
People are way to sensitive about vocabulary, as if using scientific terms is the equivalent of swearing.
How about we run a politician willing to use every accurate WORD that it takes to communicate properly about this subject? I am talking about words such as ejaculation, as in "No woman or girl can choose when to ovulate or allow her egg to be fertilized. A man can always choose when and where to ejaculate. All women and girls must have the choice whether or not to gestate and give birth becasue their lives are on the line." Simple. True. Not offensive. Not a curse. A SMALL shock in defense of basic human rights.
A little piece of me wonders if Hawkins knows exactly what she's doing. She knows it's false but she's playing into the beliefs that a lot on the Right have that are untethered to reality. For instance: There are chips in the Covid vaccines that are tracking us, the govt is promoting 15-minute cities so they can do "climate lockdowns," Q promising to bring JFK junior back from the dead so he could drive by the Texas book depository... Like the election was stolen. They've lost touch with reality and she knows it and is exploiting it.
I think you are onto something, but I also think many in this category live in a bubble & she is one of them. However, the proliferation of college campus SFL organizations is not something to ignore because those kids are the future.
The point she is missing is that abortion doesn’t require justification in the first place. When we raise the issue of rape, it’s to point out the additional cruelty and trauma the victim undergoes with forced pregnancy, and to explain why rape exceptions don’t work.
It would be interesting to learn how many involved in Students for Life were home schooled. It would also be interesting to learn if they ever took a biology class that taught human reproduction. Comments below are correct, you can’t argue with the illogical. It is important to learn where they get the statistics they use, their verbiage (aka buzzwords), who funds them, who provides their propaganda pamphlets and what training they receive.
We must be creative and figure out how to essentially point out their misinformation from a lens that rises above or skirts around their bs and reframe their stance into a slogan that they harm women. In simplistic terms “highjack their initiative” similar to what the Rs have done with CRT.
I completely agree with you. I was having this conversation with my daughter. How can you argue their points when they come from the position that they are arguing in “truth and logic”. Which, in fact, is just a statement of their position. We can easily argue the point that our position is true and logical and based in fact. I want to argue her points but that would feed her position as she said over and over again. That she gets “bored” answering the same questions every time she’s at one of her events.
I think the thing they prey on is the engagement. When we argue over points of misinformation we’re watering down the point of the matter which is that we should have the rights to decide what we do with our bodies full stop. Anything else is just fueling their narrative about abortion. As frustrating as it is we don’t and shouldn’t need to prove her wrong in her arguments just stand by our rights as civilians and humans on this earth that require the same rights and autonomy as everyone else.
Yes! When we argue on their territory, it doesn’t matter if our facts are right, because the discussion shifts to the fetus, and the person carrying the fetus gets lost in the shuffle. This isn’t about fetal rights, it’s about our right not only to choose what happens to our bodies, but what happens to our lives.
They dismiss us out of hand, insisting that “it’s only nine months,” but it isn’t. Even if the resulting child is given up for adoption, the woman’s life has been knocked off track. Adoption might be an answer for *some,* if you don’t want to raise a child, but if you don’t want to go through pregnancy in the first place, abortion is the only answer.
Birth changes a woman’s body permanently. And when they say “it’s only 9 months” what they are thinking is “another baby for us to take for ourselves”. They won’t take the 400,000 kids sitting in foster care today because they are disabled or brown or black or have passed their cute years or were so abused or neglected that no one knows whether they’ll recover. They prefer shiny new babies and they don’t care whose body, relationships, education, financial stability, business or self esteem gets destroyed producing them.
And they know it’s a slippery slope. That’s why they don’t want exceptions. That’s also why they use misinformation. It’s why they don’t want truthful sex education. It’s also why they push for “their form of Christianity” to be in schools. They use guilt in ALL of this.
Those “pat” answers we all see… if a woman didn’t have sex she wouldn’t get pregnant. That is a correct statement, but it excludes rape. So they blame that on how women dress. The argument continues. The only logical answer to that is “you want to emotionally & economically punish and harm women & girls.”
Not providing care to the most vulnerable is harming them. There’s no comeback for that. It’s the one avenue that is opening eyes & hearts & forcing “anti-abortion” people to wake up when their or someone they know lives are affected.
It’s a reversal of their shame game game. None of this has to do with babies, in reality. They don’t do a thing for those babies or later children or even later teens. They don’t even support policies that help them - free school lunches for instance. They vote for the party who continuously complains about that safety net, which is a data driven provable kind pro economically disadvantaged child policy.
Beyond which, a woman shouldn’t have to forego having a sex life because she doesn’t want to be pregnant. I always point out them that they’re assuming those who choose abortion are teenagers, who they think shouldn’t be having sex in the first place.
The reality is that 59% already have children. They aren’t teens. Many are married. They’re asking not only women, but men, too, to live sexless lives except for they few times they might actively be seeking to get pregnant. That may align with *their* religious beliefs, but in addition to the rest of us having freedom of religion, it’s just flat out not realistic. Adult human beings like sex. We haven’t all decided to take a lifelong vow of chastity. They need a better answer than ‘girls shouldn’t be sexually active,’ because the majority of people we are talking about are adults.
I agree. Some are women who already have children & birth control failed. Sometimes I ask if they know anyone who has had an abortion. They rarely do. I respond there are reasons for that. Mainly, because it’s none of their business.
I always find it interesting that in that group that respond as you mention, boys/men don’t seem to be blamed for sex or unplanned pregnancies.
But… when your child is in a crises miscarriage in a state that won’t provide care, it really doesn’t matter if you have money. I believe that’s why many are waking up. That is the enlightenment that seems to penetrate. That is also when they realize that slippery slope can lead to dire unintended consequences.
Very few of us are willing to share that we have had an abortion with people we know are judgy about the topic.
Occasionally, I’ve told the story of why I had an abortion in my forties to forced birthers. In general, the men are judgy, and the women claim I had “good reason,” but that most women getting abortions are just ‘using it as birth control.’ I point out everyone has their own reason. I also suggest that abortion as birth control is expensive (also - abortion *is* control of birth, but that muddies the waters), and women aren’t that stupid. Usually, they claim the government pays for abortion, and nothing you can say or show them convinces them otherwise.
Yes. When an enemy attacks you, and especially when their attacks go well, it's very important to study that enemy. Conservatives get way too much benefit of the doubt of being 'just regular people' and the origins of it don't get questioned nearly enough.
It’s the undercurrent that gets me. When she says “your body’s natural response” prevents pregnancy, she’s implying that anyone who *did* get pregnant from rape is either lying about the rape, or is “unnatural.”
That, of course, in the minds of the forced birthers, makes not having a rape exception to abortion bans just fine and dandy. Because either the victim is just a liar trying to “get away with sex” without being properly punished, or she’s one of those unnatural harridans. (Probably a feminist.) And unnatural women need to be put back in their proper place.
She needs to be answered with biology. “According to John’s Hopkins, a woman is in her fertile window for five days leading up to ovulation, plus the day of ovulation and the day after ovulation — so about seven days in total.”
Then she needs to be asked which of those seven days the woman needs to fear for her life in order for her body to launch its (fictional) defense mechanism”
It’s not that a woman is fertile for those five days - that’s about how long sperm live!
If I have sex on Tuesday, and ovulate Friday, I can get pregnant from any sperm still alive in my reproductive tract.
Eggs only live around 1-2 days. The problem with predicting is cycle length. Ovulation occurs 14 days *before* menstruation. If a cycle is exactly 28 days, great- you can count on being fertile on days 14-15. But if your cycle is 30 days, you’re fertile on days 16-17. If your cycle doesn’t work like clockwork, it’s hard to predict when your next period will begin, count backwards, and be exactly right about when you ovulate. But it’s always only 1-2 days a month that you’re fertile.
I just listened to the podcast at 50 minutes on. Thank you Grace and Jessica. It’s so helpful to listen to the language and arguments of these extremists. They are masters of spin. Please keep directing us to these segments. As hard as it is to listen, it is worth it so that we can out-organize.
Abortion pills are “4 times more deadly” wtf. 4 times more deadly than what?!!!??? A fucking sliver? She is just blasting through “statistics” that are categorically false! You’re right Jessica, this is very fucking hard to get through. I also love the talk about birth control of how it affects the chemicals in your brain and changes the way you are attracted to men! As if the pill is going to make you a sex-crazed lunatic! This shit is beyond the pale. I’m so angry about this! Someone give her a follow up question or at least have her cite her “scientific” sources. What studies have been conducted that prove ANY of this???!!!
The aim of banning abortions is to control women. To sell it, in addition to the lies like the one mentioned in Jesica’s column, they claim a strongly held belief that life begins at conception. There is no science or medical evidence to back their belief. Nevertheless, they want to impose their arbitrary standard (life begins at conception) on all women and force women to carry every pregnancy to term -- even if it kills her.
Why does life begin at conception? Why doesn’t it begin sooner? What about all the half people that are lost when a man jerks off? Millions of could-have-been-babies are lost this way. Where is their outrage? Why isn’t the death penalty called for when a man jerks off?
If you find my comments in the last paragraph ridiculous (and they are), then you know how ridiculous I find the notion that life begins at conception and pregnant women’s lives are expendable.
We need a politician at the national level willing to speak simple truths. "An egg is not a person. A sperm is not a person. The zygote formed when a sperm penetrates an egg is not a person. It is not sentient. It should never have LEGAL DOMINION over an actual person who is aware of her own existence, cares for her own future, and is a citizen who deserves the full protection of the federal goverment, regardless of the state she lives in."
We need to stop pretending this is debatable. Our goverment is PROHIBITED from promoting any religion and religion is the ONLY rationale for these bans. Biology or bust!
And your comments were not ridiculous, despite the fact that the concept is so ridiculous that Monty Python did a parody of it in The Meaning of Life, highlighting the Catholic idea in an all-boys sex ed class where they were taught the song “every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great” to discourage masturbation. 🫢
An actual female is saying this 💩 now? How did we get here? How are people in this country so beyond stupid? My non-English speaking immigrant grandmother with a 3rd grade education when she moved to the US at 16 was far more educated than these privileged imbeciles. I need to go calm down now. 🤬🤬🤬🤬
And so many take full advantage of that freedom. Going so far as imposing throng nonsense on others all will nilly. Oh but keep gov’t out of their lives!
Yeah, keep the government out but their "god" in. Reminds me of the chorus of a Genesis song I used to like a lot many years ago: "Jesus, he knows me / And he knows I'm right"
I have have zero tolerance for ignorance.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pregnancy_from_rape
"The current scientific consensus is that rape is at least as likely to lead to pregnancy as consensual sexual intercourse, with some studies suggesting rape may actually result in higher rates of pregnancy than consensual intercourse.[1][2][3]"
Tell that to the puppet that runs the Students for Life.
And while you're at it, tell the GOP the "Pro-Family Party" they could have prevented 60% of all abortions in the last 50 years by supporting MARRIED MOTHERS WITH CHILDREN. It has been married mothers throughout all of human history that have had the MOST abortions. It's almost like there's a reproductive flaw/failing in the "perfection" that is touted as nuclear family unit. The men are more than willing to make them, but they've made it abundantly clear that is the extent of their participation, hence the historical NEED to reduce the burdens of the Mother.
Make them EXPLAIN that reality. That in their pro-religion, patriarchal system, that it is the women they share their bed with who would be the ones MOST LIKELY to end a pregnancy, for the sake of themselves and their living children.
All the Serena Joys needed to wake the hell up before she loses more than a finger for reading the Bible. Conservative women need to realize how abortion, miscarriage care, their men believing the dying having the right to rot in the womb, how "Christian Men" view RAPE and INCEST as acceptable forms of reproduction, ARE ALL DIRECT FORMS ACTS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. They are telling YOU THIS IS TO CONTROL YOU. TO OWN YOUR BODY.
If they're out there spreading lies that can be pointed out on WIKIPEDIA, I pray for the soul of every Conservative Christian Woman that's going to sleep next to the Devil tonight, selling all the rest of us out so she'll feel slightly more loved and a little less abused and used by her "spiritual" leader creep of a husband.
I saw & read a BBC article about Hawkins last night. Highly recommend. I’m gong to force myself to finish the broadcast today. From a policy standpoint she has essentially outdone her pro-life organizational counterparts by taking an all or nothing stance and is bullying the R party candidates/legislators because “she doesn’t care about the party. It’s not her concern.” This is causing a rift because the Susan B Anthony group & others like it have operated on an incremental change philosophy…* to not lose too many votes.*
She is right in there with the MAGA & Christian Nationalist mindset. Use the extreme. Flip the pro-choice verbiage on its head. My way or the highway. I’m right, you are wrong. Pre-born babies deserve personhood & all the complications (phrased as bonuses) for women that brings. It’s a mindfk.
The comment in this thread about removed from reality has a point, except I think this truly is her reality, for now. She has no hospital, OBGYN, economic cost experience. She is surrounded by like minded people & discounts anything that competes with her feelings about pre-born babies. Feelings that were originally formed from watching a video, produced in 1984, that was essentially a pro-life propaganda falsehood product.
Per article: She’s 38 & living in a large trailer with her husband & 4 kids traveling around the country. Her husband, who has teaching credentials, is home schooling. Essentially, a self created bubble funded by like minded converts. When Pro-Publica gets done researching SCOTUS, maybe their talented researchers will dig into the dark money behind this operation & others like it.
She even mentions the "lack" data collected on medical issues after abortion. Looks like you called it again on them starting to collect "data" in some states. It hurt to listen to her inconsistencies and obviou misinformation. Thanks for wading through these types of interviews to bring us coverage on everything abortion.
People are way to sensitive about vocabulary, as if using scientific terms is the equivalent of swearing.
How about we run a politician willing to use every accurate WORD that it takes to communicate properly about this subject? I am talking about words such as ejaculation, as in "No woman or girl can choose when to ovulate or allow her egg to be fertilized. A man can always choose when and where to ejaculate. All women and girls must have the choice whether or not to gestate and give birth becasue their lives are on the line." Simple. True. Not offensive. Not a curse. A SMALL shock in defense of basic human rights.
This newsletter is required reading to keep up with the horrible, duplicitous acts engaged in by ppl who don’t respect the personhood of women.
A little piece of me wonders if Hawkins knows exactly what she's doing. She knows it's false but she's playing into the beliefs that a lot on the Right have that are untethered to reality. For instance: There are chips in the Covid vaccines that are tracking us, the govt is promoting 15-minute cities so they can do "climate lockdowns," Q promising to bring JFK junior back from the dead so he could drive by the Texas book depository... Like the election was stolen. They've lost touch with reality and she knows it and is exploiting it.
Just a thought.....
I think you are onto something, but I also think many in this category live in a bubble & she is one of them. However, the proliferation of college campus SFL organizations is not something to ignore because those kids are the future.
She just said (in that podcast) you shouldn’t have to trot out sexual assault to justify abortion.” Which was exactly what she did. 🤦♀️
The point she is missing is that abortion doesn’t require justification in the first place. When we raise the issue of rape, it’s to point out the additional cruelty and trauma the victim undergoes with forced pregnancy, and to explain why rape exceptions don’t work.
Given that psychopathy is 40-60% heritable (one source is https://jaapl.org/content/early/2021/01/06/JAAPL.200060-20). Letting women choose whether or not to perpetuate the genes of sexually violent men is a good thing.
THIS. How can you be so pro-life that you're Pro-Serial Killer?
It would be interesting to learn how many involved in Students for Life were home schooled. It would also be interesting to learn if they ever took a biology class that taught human reproduction. Comments below are correct, you can’t argue with the illogical. It is important to learn where they get the statistics they use, their verbiage (aka buzzwords), who funds them, who provides their propaganda pamphlets and what training they receive.
We must be creative and figure out how to essentially point out their misinformation from a lens that rises above or skirts around their bs and reframe their stance into a slogan that they harm women. In simplistic terms “highjack their initiative” similar to what the Rs have done with CRT.
Allison,
I completely agree with you. I was having this conversation with my daughter. How can you argue their points when they come from the position that they are arguing in “truth and logic”. Which, in fact, is just a statement of their position. We can easily argue the point that our position is true and logical and based in fact. I want to argue her points but that would feed her position as she said over and over again. That she gets “bored” answering the same questions every time she’s at one of her events.
I think the thing they prey on is the engagement. When we argue over points of misinformation we’re watering down the point of the matter which is that we should have the rights to decide what we do with our bodies full stop. Anything else is just fueling their narrative about abortion. As frustrating as it is we don’t and shouldn’t need to prove her wrong in her arguments just stand by our rights as civilians and humans on this earth that require the same rights and autonomy as everyone else.
Yes! When we argue on their territory, it doesn’t matter if our facts are right, because the discussion shifts to the fetus, and the person carrying the fetus gets lost in the shuffle. This isn’t about fetal rights, it’s about our right not only to choose what happens to our bodies, but what happens to our lives.
They dismiss us out of hand, insisting that “it’s only nine months,” but it isn’t. Even if the resulting child is given up for adoption, the woman’s life has been knocked off track. Adoption might be an answer for *some,* if you don’t want to raise a child, but if you don’t want to go through pregnancy in the first place, abortion is the only answer.
Birth changes a woman’s body permanently. And when they say “it’s only 9 months” what they are thinking is “another baby for us to take for ourselves”. They won’t take the 400,000 kids sitting in foster care today because they are disabled or brown or black or have passed their cute years or were so abused or neglected that no one knows whether they’ll recover. They prefer shiny new babies and they don’t care whose body, relationships, education, financial stability, business or self esteem gets destroyed producing them.
And it gives the baby a traumatic brain injury, too.
And they know it’s a slippery slope. That’s why they don’t want exceptions. That’s also why they use misinformation. It’s why they don’t want truthful sex education. It’s also why they push for “their form of Christianity” to be in schools. They use guilt in ALL of this.
Those “pat” answers we all see… if a woman didn’t have sex she wouldn’t get pregnant. That is a correct statement, but it excludes rape. So they blame that on how women dress. The argument continues. The only logical answer to that is “you want to emotionally & economically punish and harm women & girls.”
Not providing care to the most vulnerable is harming them. There’s no comeback for that. It’s the one avenue that is opening eyes & hearts & forcing “anti-abortion” people to wake up when their or someone they know lives are affected.
It’s a reversal of their shame game game. None of this has to do with babies, in reality. They don’t do a thing for those babies or later children or even later teens. They don’t even support policies that help them - free school lunches for instance. They vote for the party who continuously complains about that safety net, which is a data driven provable kind pro economically disadvantaged child policy.
Beyond which, a woman shouldn’t have to forego having a sex life because she doesn’t want to be pregnant. I always point out them that they’re assuming those who choose abortion are teenagers, who they think shouldn’t be having sex in the first place.
The reality is that 59% already have children. They aren’t teens. Many are married. They’re asking not only women, but men, too, to live sexless lives except for they few times they might actively be seeking to get pregnant. That may align with *their* religious beliefs, but in addition to the rest of us having freedom of religion, it’s just flat out not realistic. Adult human beings like sex. We haven’t all decided to take a lifelong vow of chastity. They need a better answer than ‘girls shouldn’t be sexually active,’ because the majority of people we are talking about are adults.
I agree. Some are women who already have children & birth control failed. Sometimes I ask if they know anyone who has had an abortion. They rarely do. I respond there are reasons for that. Mainly, because it’s none of their business.
I always find it interesting that in that group that respond as you mention, boys/men don’t seem to be blamed for sex or unplanned pregnancies.
But… when your child is in a crises miscarriage in a state that won’t provide care, it really doesn’t matter if you have money. I believe that’s why many are waking up. That is the enlightenment that seems to penetrate. That is also when they realize that slippery slope can lead to dire unintended consequences.
Very few of us are willing to share that we have had an abortion with people we know are judgy about the topic.
Occasionally, I’ve told the story of why I had an abortion in my forties to forced birthers. In general, the men are judgy, and the women claim I had “good reason,” but that most women getting abortions are just ‘using it as birth control.’ I point out everyone has their own reason. I also suggest that abortion as birth control is expensive (also - abortion *is* control of birth, but that muddies the waters), and women aren’t that stupid. Usually, they claim the government pays for abortion, and nothing you can say or show them convinces them otherwise.
Yes. When an enemy attacks you, and especially when their attacks go well, it's very important to study that enemy. Conservatives get way too much benefit of the doubt of being 'just regular people' and the origins of it don't get questioned nearly enough.
It’s the undercurrent that gets me. When she says “your body’s natural response” prevents pregnancy, she’s implying that anyone who *did* get pregnant from rape is either lying about the rape, or is “unnatural.”
That, of course, in the minds of the forced birthers, makes not having a rape exception to abortion bans just fine and dandy. Because either the victim is just a liar trying to “get away with sex” without being properly punished, or she’s one of those unnatural harridans. (Probably a feminist.) And unnatural women need to be put back in their proper place.
She needs to be answered with biology. “According to John’s Hopkins, a woman is in her fertile window for five days leading up to ovulation, plus the day of ovulation and the day after ovulation — so about seven days in total.”
Then she needs to be asked which of those seven days the woman needs to fear for her life in order for her body to launch its (fictional) defense mechanism”
It’s not that a woman is fertile for those five days - that’s about how long sperm live!
If I have sex on Tuesday, and ovulate Friday, I can get pregnant from any sperm still alive in my reproductive tract.
Eggs only live around 1-2 days. The problem with predicting is cycle length. Ovulation occurs 14 days *before* menstruation. If a cycle is exactly 28 days, great- you can count on being fertile on days 14-15. But if your cycle is 30 days, you’re fertile on days 16-17. If your cycle doesn’t work like clockwork, it’s hard to predict when your next period will begin, count backwards, and be exactly right about when you ovulate. But it’s always only 1-2 days a month that you’re fertile.
She also says 5% get pregnant. Where does that statistic even come from?
That statistic is the only thing she says that approaches reality. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8765248/
Although, some studies indicate the pregnancy rate from rape is higher in other countries. Some analysts think it’s possible that something they call “reflex ovulation” may lead to pregnancy at higher rates from rape than from consensual intercourse. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pregnancy_from_rape#:~:text=Adjusting%20for%20these%20factors%2C%20they,%22%20(2%E2%80%934%25).
I just listened to the podcast at 50 minutes on. Thank you Grace and Jessica. It’s so helpful to listen to the language and arguments of these extremists. They are masters of spin. Please keep directing us to these segments. As hard as it is to listen, it is worth it so that we can out-organize.
Abortion pills are “4 times more deadly” wtf. 4 times more deadly than what?!!!??? A fucking sliver? She is just blasting through “statistics” that are categorically false! You’re right Jessica, this is very fucking hard to get through. I also love the talk about birth control of how it affects the chemicals in your brain and changes the way you are attracted to men! As if the pill is going to make you a sex-crazed lunatic! This shit is beyond the pale. I’m so angry about this! Someone give her a follow up question or at least have her cite her “scientific” sources. What studies have been conducted that prove ANY of this???!!!
I read that birth control pills can have the effect of decreasing a woman's libido. She should have to provide citations.
Ok I’m going to need a full bottle of wine if I stand any chance of watching that garbage 🤬
In Red States, shouldn't we be talking about emancipating women?
I call them the Misogynst States.
They are the slave states after all...
Allegedly, the Bible says life begins at the first breath. But they don’t actually follow the Bible anyway. 🙄
The aim of banning abortions is to control women. To sell it, in addition to the lies like the one mentioned in Jesica’s column, they claim a strongly held belief that life begins at conception. There is no science or medical evidence to back their belief. Nevertheless, they want to impose their arbitrary standard (life begins at conception) on all women and force women to carry every pregnancy to term -- even if it kills her.
Why does life begin at conception? Why doesn’t it begin sooner? What about all the half people that are lost when a man jerks off? Millions of could-have-been-babies are lost this way. Where is their outrage? Why isn’t the death penalty called for when a man jerks off?
If you find my comments in the last paragraph ridiculous (and they are), then you know how ridiculous I find the notion that life begins at conception and pregnant women’s lives are expendable.
We need a politician at the national level willing to speak simple truths. "An egg is not a person. A sperm is not a person. The zygote formed when a sperm penetrates an egg is not a person. It is not sentient. It should never have LEGAL DOMINION over an actual person who is aware of her own existence, cares for her own future, and is a citizen who deserves the full protection of the federal goverment, regardless of the state she lives in."
We need to stop pretending this is debatable. Our goverment is PROHIBITED from promoting any religion and religion is the ONLY rationale for these bans. Biology or bust!
PREACH GIRL!!!!!
And your comments were not ridiculous, despite the fact that the concept is so ridiculous that Monty Python did a parody of it in The Meaning of Life, highlighting the Catholic idea in an all-boys sex ed class where they were taught the song “every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great” to discourage masturbation. 🫢
I've forgotten what all was in that movie, but if the Pythons did an idea then it's worthy.
Very worthy. Same as can “we have your liver then?” when the medics show up to the organ donor’s house for his liver.
An actual female is saying this 💩 now? How did we get here? How are people in this country so beyond stupid? My non-English speaking immigrant grandmother with a 3rd grade education when she moved to the US at 16 was far more educated than these privileged imbeciles. I need to go calm down now. 🤬🤬🤬🤬
We were founded on freedom of religion. i.e. the right to believe nonsense
And so many take full advantage of that freedom. Going so far as imposing throng nonsense on others all will nilly. Oh but keep gov’t out of their lives!
Yeah, keep the government out but their "god" in. Reminds me of the chorus of a Genesis song I used to like a lot many years ago: "Jesus, he knows me / And he knows I'm right"
I guess Ms. Hawkins has never been raped. I don’t wish this on anyone although it might provide a little perspective.
Very nicely put.