New York Governor Kathy Hochul signed that bill into law today and isn't handing over any healthcare provider, so there you go Louisiana for your bullshit indictment.
I'm curious as to how this will effect the movement of this doctor? Is she going to be afraid to leave the state? They're seeking travel bans for people seeking care, and also instilling a fear of travel from those who help provide care. Really chilling.
This is a nit fir sure but does the patient not have a dad to also pin this on? She may not. I’m just curious how deep this particular war on women goes.
I was wondering this same thing. It seems as though the people move targeted by these lawsuits (physician and family/friends of the person seeking care) are women. I think they are trying to completely divorce this from falling under the responsibility of men full stop so they can (a) encourage man to rat on people and (b) discourage men from being vocal allies.
Jessica, you're incredible! Terrific foresight and action saving and making available elsewhere the CDC information. Thank you for that and all you do.
May not have been rape. Some jurisdictions have so-called Romeo and Juliet statutes which do not criminalize sex between minors when there is a small age difference.
As a deeper dive into my last post of a few minutes ago, I want to tie together some of the so-called culture wars. Start with three basic animal drives: for Sex, for Reproduction, and for Self. Consider the following TABOOS:
(1) Masturbation - a sexual activity which cannot lead to reproduction. Thus, taboo.
(2) Homosexual Sex - now we have two people doing sex, but the same gender, which cannot lead to reproduction. Thus, taboo.
(3) Contraception - usage in sex, and sometimes with people of opposite genders, wow! But usually blocks reproduction. Thus, taboo.
(4) Abortion - stops the reproductive process (vs. murders a "baby" that started its "life" when egg was fertilized.) Thus, taboo.
So the reproductive drive underlies these "wars". Humans have some real intelligence, however, and deviate from simply following basic instincts. The Western Enlightenment has gradually enhanced the role of Self. To be sure sex as a pleasure drives both reproduction and self (hence, contraception). Repro-obsessives still hope to ban contraception as well. But the role of Self, originally confined to white males gradually expanded in some parts of the US. People kidnapped from Africa to work the fields were cost-effective replacements for low-paid white labor. Ironically, as they were (legally) freed by the first Civil War and the Thirteenth Amendment, the other form of slavery was spreading state-by-state: Involuntary servitude in the uterine field and forced birth (vaginal rape). Fertilized eggs are persons, but girls and women from puberty to menopause were untermenschen, but needed for sex to lead to reproduction.
The 1960s-1970s saw attempts to apply that Western enlightenment values to ALL Americans. But substantial successes, civil rights, ROE, anti-poverty, etc. brought intense reactionary backlash which we are experiencing, HOBBS, pro-Fascist (Presidential Immunity case), eliminating anti-bias in Federal contracting, etc., etc.
I especially appreciate that you use the term “involuntary servitude” with regard to building a human. Women have been required to perform this service for free for millennia. We all exist because of this work.
The key is that both abortion and the labor of pregnancy must be VOLUNTARY. The free will of the individual must be respected, bodily and religiously. See the First and Thirteenth Amendments cited above. Sadly, the split between the Western Enlightenment and Authoritarianism has always been present in the US, and probably always will be.
Various entities have been trying to ban masturbation for millennia. These efforts have been entirely unsuccessful. And if partner sexual activity were a consumer product, it would be a huge success--facilitated by the availability of contraception and abortion. Avid consumers of this "product" are not going to accept withdrawal of contraception and abortion.
There is a lot to digest on your comments, Ken. Whew! Every living entity on this planet has a mission to reproduce. Even a virus. The only thing that separates humans from other living organisms is the ability to choose whether or not to reproduce. A consciousness of behavior and the ability to control response.
Human beings are also geared to seek pleasure, rather than to simply act on basic instincts. We require love in order to thrive.
Government has no role in human sexual behavior. Governments are not medical professionals nor should they be. Just as they are not psychologists, dictating how we should live our personal lives or when we should marry and produce offspring.
And so, the current white supremacy/Christofascist model of the American Way is extremely flawed. The dictates of church and state are choking the joy out of our lives. When there is a void of happiness, deviations such as depression and anger fill that space. As more of our rights are stripped from us, our culture will react with the side effects of despair.
Kathleen, thanks for your very deep reply. Your first paragraph is very insightful: the enormous difference between acting on instinct/biological drive vs. applying thought, moral boundaries around our drives, (do not harm others), and respect free will of the individual. The slaver side will argue that fertilized eggs are also persons, but without any mindedness, they constitute potential persons, not human beings.
We women are born and die just as men do. And we are the only ones who can give life. Why are we handing over our power to decide when and how we give life? Why are we not in the streets, voting, taking back control of our bodies? Just really hit me hard tonight.
It's mystifying. I saw some stat that white women didn't vote for Harris because they didn't think she looked strong enough on the world stage. So they got their strong candidate -- can't wait till we invade Panama and Greenland, and then economically bully Canada into submission. Lovely times ahead.
2) Can you form a 501C3 for your effort to preserve documents so we can donate to it separately and in a way that is tax deductible? Or does your arrangement with Substack prohibit that kind of extracurricular thing? With some funding you could hire staff for it. You’re busy enough already.
Jessica, speaking of coercion! When a girl or woman is forced to risk death with an unsafe abortion provider (via sepsis or hemorrhage) vs. submitting to involuntary servitude in the uterine field and forced birth (rape from the inside out), that's not coercion? But they believe that a fertilized egg is a one-cell "baby" so they do pro-slave things to girls and women in accordance with: (1) their Confederate master-slave, dominator-submissive culture of centuries and (2) the substantial Papal influence is congenial to the ancient (pre-Christian) Pythagorean cult ensoulment doctrine that there is a "Spirit of Life" in the product of conception (fertilized egg). This religious speculation is an intellectual expression of the reproductive drive, but without any respect for the lives, safety, or freedom of (female) humans. The universal drive to reproduce is in all animals, but humans are supposed to have moral boundaries around their animal drives. Not so much for slavers! Let's borrow a dramatic word from Trump, our plotting fascist wanna be, "FIGHT!" "FIGHT!" "FIGHT!"
There is already a bill in the House of Representatives to get fetal personhood into law. It's not written up yet, or at least they don't have the text of it out yet (it's pretty new). I'm going to keep my eye on it and signed up for updates.
I’m so so glad you got all the CDC documents! First good news I’ve seen today. Scary AF that they removed all of that, but so glad it’s going to be all in one place.
“extremist billionaire dollars.” Why the fuck do these people care about abortion? They can literally have everything they want and instead of just enjoying their ill gotten gains they need to make sure sluts can’t have sex without consequences? Because it’s definitely not the babies these assholes s care about. I understand the psychotic so called Christians more than uber wealthy anti abortion crowd. Their money could allow them to live in a bubble of their own making but no, they choose to come fuck with mine.
I think they're the exact same people; some of them just have obscene amounts of wealth, because their form of 'Christianity' is woven into the power structure in this country. I'm not a believer but the irony is these are the very exact people Jesus warned most about.
Hopefully Carpenter won’t do anything stupid like traveling to Louisiana to beard the hillbillies in their den. Much safer to fight this battle from her home ground where she’s safe.
You couldn’t pay me to live anywhere in the former Confederacy.
New York Governor Kathy Hochul signed that bill into law today and isn't handing over any healthcare provider, so there you go Louisiana for your bullshit indictment.
Dr. Jen Gunter has a good post up about personhood.
https://vajenda.substack.com/p/personhood-is-coming?r=fbh1f&triedRedirect=true
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I'm curious as to how this will effect the movement of this doctor? Is she going to be afraid to leave the state? They're seeking travel bans for people seeking care, and also instilling a fear of travel from those who help provide care. Really chilling.
That is a terrifying observation. It seems that only Blue states are safe to travel to for now.
This is a nit fir sure but does the patient not have a dad to also pin this on? She may not. I’m just curious how deep this particular war on women goes.
They do it everywhere, right? When they talk about the Jan 6 committee, it’s laser focus on Cheney and never Kinzinger.
I was wondering this same thing. It seems as though the people move targeted by these lawsuits (physician and family/friends of the person seeking care) are women. I think they are trying to completely divorce this from falling under the responsibility of men full stop so they can (a) encourage man to rat on people and (b) discourage men from being vocal allies.
Jessica, you're incredible! Terrific foresight and action saving and making available elsewhere the CDC information. Thank you for that and all you do.
Super weird that they are not indicting the rapist.
May not have been rape. Some jurisdictions have so-called Romeo and Juliet statutes which do not criminalize sex between minors when there is a small age difference.
As a deeper dive into my last post of a few minutes ago, I want to tie together some of the so-called culture wars. Start with three basic animal drives: for Sex, for Reproduction, and for Self. Consider the following TABOOS:
(1) Masturbation - a sexual activity which cannot lead to reproduction. Thus, taboo.
(2) Homosexual Sex - now we have two people doing sex, but the same gender, which cannot lead to reproduction. Thus, taboo.
(3) Contraception - usage in sex, and sometimes with people of opposite genders, wow! But usually blocks reproduction. Thus, taboo.
(4) Abortion - stops the reproductive process (vs. murders a "baby" that started its "life" when egg was fertilized.) Thus, taboo.
So the reproductive drive underlies these "wars". Humans have some real intelligence, however, and deviate from simply following basic instincts. The Western Enlightenment has gradually enhanced the role of Self. To be sure sex as a pleasure drives both reproduction and self (hence, contraception). Repro-obsessives still hope to ban contraception as well. But the role of Self, originally confined to white males gradually expanded in some parts of the US. People kidnapped from Africa to work the fields were cost-effective replacements for low-paid white labor. Ironically, as they were (legally) freed by the first Civil War and the Thirteenth Amendment, the other form of slavery was spreading state-by-state: Involuntary servitude in the uterine field and forced birth (vaginal rape). Fertilized eggs are persons, but girls and women from puberty to menopause were untermenschen, but needed for sex to lead to reproduction.
The 1960s-1970s saw attempts to apply that Western enlightenment values to ALL Americans. But substantial successes, civil rights, ROE, anti-poverty, etc. brought intense reactionary backlash which we are experiencing, HOBBS, pro-Fascist (Presidential Immunity case), eliminating anti-bias in Federal contracting, etc., etc.
I especially appreciate that you use the term “involuntary servitude” with regard to building a human. Women have been required to perform this service for free for millennia. We all exist because of this work.
The key is that both abortion and the labor of pregnancy must be VOLUNTARY. The free will of the individual must be respected, bodily and religiously. See the First and Thirteenth Amendments cited above. Sadly, the split between the Western Enlightenment and Authoritarianism has always been present in the US, and probably always will be.
Various entities have been trying to ban masturbation for millennia. These efforts have been entirely unsuccessful. And if partner sexual activity were a consumer product, it would be a huge success--facilitated by the availability of contraception and abortion. Avid consumers of this "product" are not going to accept withdrawal of contraception and abortion.
There is a lot to digest on your comments, Ken. Whew! Every living entity on this planet has a mission to reproduce. Even a virus. The only thing that separates humans from other living organisms is the ability to choose whether or not to reproduce. A consciousness of behavior and the ability to control response.
Human beings are also geared to seek pleasure, rather than to simply act on basic instincts. We require love in order to thrive.
Government has no role in human sexual behavior. Governments are not medical professionals nor should they be. Just as they are not psychologists, dictating how we should live our personal lives or when we should marry and produce offspring.
And so, the current white supremacy/Christofascist model of the American Way is extremely flawed. The dictates of church and state are choking the joy out of our lives. When there is a void of happiness, deviations such as depression and anger fill that space. As more of our rights are stripped from us, our culture will react with the side effects of despair.
Kathleen, thanks for your very deep reply. Your first paragraph is very insightful: the enormous difference between acting on instinct/biological drive vs. applying thought, moral boundaries around our drives, (do not harm others), and respect free will of the individual. The slaver side will argue that fertilized eggs are also persons, but without any mindedness, they constitute potential persons, not human beings.
You have very keen insight, Ken.
We women are born and die just as men do. And we are the only ones who can give life. Why are we handing over our power to decide when and how we give life? Why are we not in the streets, voting, taking back control of our bodies? Just really hit me hard tonight.
It's mystifying. I saw some stat that white women didn't vote for Harris because they didn't think she looked strong enough on the world stage. So they got their strong candidate -- can't wait till we invade Panama and Greenland, and then economically bully Canada into submission. Lovely times ahead.
A fair amount of white women did vote for Harris.
Just not enough. It should have been all.
1) I thought New York had a shield law, no?
2) Can you form a 501C3 for your effort to preserve documents so we can donate to it separately and in a way that is tax deductible? Or does your arrangement with Substack prohibit that kind of extracurricular thing? With some funding you could hire staff for it. You’re busy enough already.
Perhaps a group of us could set up the 501c3 if Jessica may not.
Jessica, speaking of coercion! When a girl or woman is forced to risk death with an unsafe abortion provider (via sepsis or hemorrhage) vs. submitting to involuntary servitude in the uterine field and forced birth (rape from the inside out), that's not coercion? But they believe that a fertilized egg is a one-cell "baby" so they do pro-slave things to girls and women in accordance with: (1) their Confederate master-slave, dominator-submissive culture of centuries and (2) the substantial Papal influence is congenial to the ancient (pre-Christian) Pythagorean cult ensoulment doctrine that there is a "Spirit of Life" in the product of conception (fertilized egg). This religious speculation is an intellectual expression of the reproductive drive, but without any respect for the lives, safety, or freedom of (female) humans. The universal drive to reproduce is in all animals, but humans are supposed to have moral boundaries around their animal drives. Not so much for slavers! Let's borrow a dramatic word from Trump, our plotting fascist wanna be, "FIGHT!" "FIGHT!" "FIGHT!"
There is already a bill in the House of Representatives to get fetal personhood into law. It's not written up yet, or at least they don't have the text of it out yet (it's pretty new). I'm going to keep my eye on it and signed up for updates.
I’m so so glad you got all the CDC documents! First good news I’ve seen today. Scary AF that they removed all of that, but so glad it’s going to be all in one place.
Thank you for this work, Jessica. Thank you! xo
“extremist billionaire dollars.” Why the fuck do these people care about abortion? They can literally have everything they want and instead of just enjoying their ill gotten gains they need to make sure sluts can’t have sex without consequences? Because it’s definitely not the babies these assholes s care about. I understand the psychotic so called Christians more than uber wealthy anti abortion crowd. Their money could allow them to live in a bubble of their own making but no, they choose to come fuck with mine.
I think they're the exact same people; some of them just have obscene amounts of wealth, because their form of 'Christianity' is woven into the power structure in this country. I'm not a believer but the irony is these are the very exact people Jesus warned most about.
Who do what they wish and are shielded from consequences with money. “Exceptions for me, but not for thee”
We all knew this day would come.
Hopefully Carpenter won’t do anything stupid like traveling to Louisiana to beard the hillbillies in their den. Much safer to fight this battle from her home ground where she’s safe.
You couldn’t pay me to live anywhere in the former Confederacy.
I'm pretty sure this doctor isn't going to entertain their wet dream indictment.
Louisiana is on my personal "do not fly" list.
I hear you. We used to go to New Orleans every other year but no more.