It was annoying to see headlines reporting that the "GOP controlled AZ legislature voted to overturn..." which was technically true, but obscured the fact that it was Democrats who did this over GOP objections and obstruction, and with the help of only 3 Republicans.
I read/heard some news pundit suggest that the Az Democrats wouldn't actually try to repeal this ban, because they want to campaign on it (just like national Rs killed the bipartisan strict immigration bill), but once again, the Ds show that they actually care about governing, not just campaigning.
The 3 Republicans in the house deserve no accolades......yeah, I get the 3 votes helped repeal it, but it was only to serve their orange blob master. They made a TEMPORARY concession hoping that in the long term a full national ban can go into place.
It's like speaker Mike johnson, he deserves absolutely no accolades or credit for getting the ukraine, taiwan, Israel funding to the house floor - he's the one that held up the fucking thing for 10 months. Under mounting pressure and a discharge petition he had no choice.
No, but it proves they are finally scared and being held somewhat accountable. One of the biggest problems with our system of inertia is that hyper partisanship creates guaranteed voting blocs. This issue has made that harder to maintain.
I hate that women are suffering but if this ends up being the issue that defeats these zealots even only some of the time, I will revel in the irony and the shadenfreude. Karma can’t come soon enough for these bastards.
Like a lot of other commenters here, I'm cautious about feeling too triumphant over this. Meanwhile, I'm still writing my get-out-the-Dem-vote postcards into Arizona.
good in the short term, but if it gets through the az senate, repuglicans can run on “we fixed that bad abortion law for you, now you should vote for us in november.” to be clear, if it’s good for kari lake, it’s bad for az women. again, i’m talking long run.
I mean, it’s good news - but I fear the Republicans are trying to appear as if they care about women now... So that their actual, still-awful agenda will now seem reasonable when they try to impose it. Ugh. Time to push even harder for NO bans! And reiterate that we do not need politicians in our doctor’s offices. Pregnancy is too complicated to legislate. Grr
I would have thought you of all people would have highlighted only 3 Republicans joined all the Democrats on this…that’s less than 10% of their caucus. They are not the good guys here!
So what is the lowdown here? Did the Republicans contribute at all to this? I didn't follow the effort closely, but it seems like there was this hum about Republicans being an obstacle. Were they at all an obstacle?
Even more to the point, exactly where are the reproductive rights end of the Republicans. What kind of existence do they have?
This is like third time Arizona House has tried to repeal the 1864 ban in last few weeks. Each time all 31 Republicans voted no to repeal. Today 3 of the 31 votoed yes to repeal with all 28 Democrats (of course) voting yes- - now it will go to the Arizona Senate. Point being, the Republicans in Arizona have been nothing but a goddamn problem, the only reason these 3 flipped is because tRump roast ask them to. He doesn't want chaos before the election. It's not like he gives a shit about women's rights.
Are you serious? Do you know for a fact that Trump asked the 3 to vote to repeal and did these actually make the difference? Do you have a link to the report?
There's a handful of different articles out there regarding Trump and kari. Last year Karie specifically said in an interview that she supported a national ban- then when the Arizona Supreme Court put in this 1864 band, there was so much blowback, then she pivoted.
'State Rep. Matt Gress, one of the three Republicans who sided with Democrats and who was removed from his appropriations committee assignment by Speaker Ben Toma, urged his Senate colleagues to "quickly" focus on the matter.
"I refuse to buy into the false notion pushed by the extremes on both sides of this issue that we cannot respect and protect women and defend new life at the same time," he said in a statement.'
Yes, the 3 made a difference. Kari Lake and Trump asked AZ House Republicans to help repeal, because they don't want all the blow back, only 3 of the AZ House Republicans agreed to repeal plus the 28 house Democrats. it now goes to AZ Senate.
I think though, that Trump has some problems with the anti-abortionists. Remember that his VP Pence folded on him when he might have shown some resistance over the 2020 elections. Pence was Trump's concession to the anti-abortionists in his first term.
The anti-abortionists run the Republicans, but the non-aligned voters are still out there, and I'll guess they are all for reproductive rights and against gestational personhood.
Hell yes!!! No, the war to regain our bodily autonomy is not won, but winning this battle ain’t nothing. A bright little light amidst so much bleak shit show. Yay!!!
It was annoying to see headlines reporting that the "GOP controlled AZ legislature voted to overturn..." which was technically true, but obscured the fact that it was Democrats who did this over GOP objections and obstruction, and with the help of only 3 Republicans.
I read/heard some news pundit suggest that the Az Democrats wouldn't actually try to repeal this ban, because they want to campaign on it (just like national Rs killed the bipartisan strict immigration bill), but once again, the Ds show that they actually care about governing, not just campaigning.
The 3 Republicans in the house deserve no accolades......yeah, I get the 3 votes helped repeal it, but it was only to serve their orange blob master. They made a TEMPORARY concession hoping that in the long term a full national ban can go into place.
It's like speaker Mike johnson, he deserves absolutely no accolades or credit for getting the ukraine, taiwan, Israel funding to the house floor - he's the one that held up the fucking thing for 10 months. Under mounting pressure and a discharge petition he had no choice.
No, but it proves they are finally scared and being held somewhat accountable. One of the biggest problems with our system of inertia is that hyper partisanship creates guaranteed voting blocs. This issue has made that harder to maintain.
I hate that women are suffering but if this ends up being the issue that defeats these zealots even only some of the time, I will revel in the irony and the shadenfreude. Karma can’t come soon enough for these bastards.
Beautiful. Congratulations to everyone involved in this effort.
Like a lot of other commenters here, I'm cautious about feeling too triumphant over this. Meanwhile, I'm still writing my get-out-the-Dem-vote postcards into Arizona.
Which is smart where republican fuckery is concerned, and there will be some.
good in the short term, but if it gets through the az senate, repuglicans can run on “we fixed that bad abortion law for you, now you should vote for us in november.” to be clear, if it’s good for kari lake, it’s bad for az women. again, i’m talking long run.
I mean, it’s good news - but I fear the Republicans are trying to appear as if they care about women now... So that their actual, still-awful agenda will now seem reasonable when they try to impose it. Ugh. Time to push even harder for NO bans! And reiterate that we do not need politicians in our doctor’s offices. Pregnancy is too complicated to legislate. Grr
Amen
I would have thought you of all people would have highlighted only 3 Republicans joined all the Democrats on this…that’s less than 10% of their caucus. They are not the good guys here!
They couldn't be the good guys if they tried, with their misogyny, it would be impossible.
So what is the lowdown here? Did the Republicans contribute at all to this? I didn't follow the effort closely, but it seems like there was this hum about Republicans being an obstacle. Were they at all an obstacle?
Even more to the point, exactly where are the reproductive rights end of the Republicans. What kind of existence do they have?
This is like third time Arizona House has tried to repeal the 1864 ban in last few weeks. Each time all 31 Republicans voted no to repeal. Today 3 of the 31 votoed yes to repeal with all 28 Democrats (of course) voting yes- - now it will go to the Arizona Senate. Point being, the Republicans in Arizona have been nothing but a goddamn problem, the only reason these 3 flipped is because tRump roast ask them to. He doesn't want chaos before the election. It's not like he gives a shit about women's rights.
Are you serious? Do you know for a fact that Trump asked the 3 to vote to repeal and did these actually make the difference? Do you have a link to the report?
There's a handful of different articles out there regarding Trump and kari. Last year Karie specifically said in an interview that she supported a national ban- then when the Arizona Supreme Court put in this 1864 band, there was so much blowback, then she pivoted.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/republicans-join-arizona-democrats-vote-repeal-controversial-1864/story?id=109589269
From that link:
'State Rep. Matt Gress, one of the three Republicans who sided with Democrats and who was removed from his appropriations committee assignment by Speaker Ben Toma, urged his Senate colleagues to "quickly" focus on the matter.
"I refuse to buy into the false notion pushed by the extremes on both sides of this issue that we cannot respect and protect women and defend new life at the same time," he said in a statement.'
Not exactly a turn in the tide.
Yes, the 3 made a difference. Kari Lake and Trump asked AZ House Republicans to help repeal, because they don't want all the blow back, only 3 of the AZ House Republicans agreed to repeal plus the 28 house Democrats. it now goes to AZ Senate.
Of course he did. He’s ignorant as hell, but even he could see how bad this was for him.
I think though, that Trump has some problems with the anti-abortionists. Remember that his VP Pence folded on him when he might have shown some resistance over the 2020 elections. Pence was Trump's concession to the anti-abortionists in his first term.
The anti-abortionists run the Republicans, but the non-aligned voters are still out there, and I'll guess they are all for reproductive rights and against gestational personhood.
Hell yes!!! No, the war to regain our bodily autonomy is not won, but winning this battle ain’t nothing. A bright little light amidst so much bleak shit show. Yay!!!
Wow, wow, wow.