I'm so mad cause I had a comment all typed out and I was trying to edit it and I did something that erased it.. but basically I was saying we all have our own ideas on abortion but the religious people only have the churches ideas on that. But I also have to say I'm pretty much right wing and I'm an atheist. There's not a set group of rules or ideas you have to live by to be republican. They would rather not have so much involvement in our lives . They are all for less government and following the constitution as it was written. And not stepping on our rights. The ultra religious ideals on abortion is probably the wives or the church talking. I know that overturning roe v wade wasn't about the subject matter of the law it was how the law came to be a law if that makes sense. But I think the push for full term abortions was what sparked the push for anti abortion ideals. I can half understand it but not completely because up until labor is kinda redundant I think. I mean that far the damage has been done but it's way easier to find an adoption attorney than an abortion place in most cities. And the family that adopts the baby pays for the legal fees and most of the time the medical bills if you haven't already gotten assistance for the medical part. But on the same note even if they didn't do what they were supposed to do by allowing us to vote for it on the next ballot there is still that. But yeah I think democrat politicians are way more controlling than republicans. Democrat politicians just have more cunning ways to get people to comply with giving up freedoms so it's difficult to see the underlying fuckery in their intentions. But I won't get into that. But republicans like rand Paul work for us while trying to preserve our freedoms and democrats do what's best for them at the moment. They think they know what's best for everyone and don't think we are smart enough to know what's best. Lol
There is no such thing as a "Full term abortion." How do I know this? I worked as a surgical assistant in women's healthcare clinics and hospitals for twenty years. Any abortion done after viability (approximately Twenty-four weeks but even then excessive intervention is required.) is done because the fetus is malformed and is not compatible with life and/or is already deceased, if left in the uterus it will go septic and kill the woman. You spout many things that simply do not occur in reality. You need a better source of accurate information.
The problem is that whatever one thinks about the Democrats, the Republicans have fallen under the control of some people who are very much not like what you're describing.
If this country is ever to function again, the Republican party needs to get away from that and be more like the kind of party you are describing. It's also the only long term way to keep the Democrats in check.
Great Quote: “One thing about the righteous: they are ‘right’. It’s in the name. As a righteous person, your interpretation of right/wrong is, definitionally, the correct interpretation. No matter if your POV has no basis in law, medicine, or science. No matter that your POV runs contrary to the wishes of a majority of your fellow citizens. Nothing matters except your certitude regarding your own beliefs.”
The plain cruelty of the extreme anti-abortion movement is crazy righteous. Biased judges and statehouses feel completely free to pass inhumane laws based on extreme Christian, bible-informed beliefs. I think it’s horrible that a law from 1864 is back in force, but what about all the 2000+ years-old biblical laws? There are an awful lot of bible verses about women suffering and divine duties.
Here’s a couple of choice ones:
“I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband and he will rule over you” Gen. 3:16 (Translate: too bad if it hurts, or your body is too young, or your life at risk; God intended you to suffer.)
“A woman, when she is in labor, has sorrow because her hour has come; but as soon as she has given birth to the child, she no longer remembers the anguish, for joy that a human being has been born into the world.” John 16:21 (Translate: Babies are divinely intended, even if you are 14 and completely broke. Be happy.)
Each time I'm gobsmacked by forced-birth cruelty, I remember the beliefs: God intended us to suffer for the sins of Eve. Men are dominant and we are merely vessels for them (and for their offspring). Our individuality, agency, independence and free will are of no consequence. How dare we expect to avoid the suffering God intended?
I hope to see more sunlight on the unconstitutional connection of inflexible religious beliefs and the law. Where is the Establishment Clause in all of this? Oh yeah, our secular rights must not impinge on their religious beliefs, or something like that.
I really like the comments of Wendy Wetzel. "Men still trying to control our bodies". If you can't get bans lifted, try your best to live in a state where abortion is protected. If you cannot do that, at least take all your vacations in blue states. And personally I like hearing about people who choose sterilization. I don't have children and I have a great life. One doesn't have to have children to be fulfilled. It's great that the Opill is available over the counter. And birth control pills are very reliable. Be safe out there, where republican politicians, especially cristo-fascist white men are determined to hurt women and girls.
There's also plan b. And that algae a 72 hour window. I don't think it's only white republican men that want the bans. I'm sure they have paid for one or two in their lifetime.. and I just have to say in a joking but serious way that I think the men pretending to be trans in woman's bathrooms so they can perv out and no one can ask questions or get them arrested and people that have inappropriate showers with their daughters are more in the hurting women and young girls category. Lmao. But on a serious note I think it's more their church or their wives pushing that antiabortion agenda.
The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists has published a study reporting that over-the-counter birth control pills are safe and effective: Practice Advisory, "First Over-the-Counter Daily Contraceptive Pill Released," https//www.acog.org/clinical/clinical-guidance/practice-advisory/articles/2024/03/first-over-the-counter-daily-contraceptive-pill-released. I found out about it from the Society of Family Planning April 11 weekly update.
I think that as a movement, reproductive justice needs to work on many fronts. The more people who don't want to be pregnant don't GET pregnant, the better, so a lot more contraceptive information needs to be out there. Young women need to realize that if they are going to be having potentially-impregnating kinds of sex, consistently using effective contraception makes them sensible, it doesn't make them "sluts." And as a movement, we need to amplify the amazing work abortion access funds are doing by finding additional ways to make financing available for contraception and other kinds of health care in addition to abortion.
Even as Republicans continue to systematically eliminate access to abortion, their efforts are being thwarted by a network of providers who mail abortion pills to ALL 50 states. Pregnant people need to know that pills are safe, accessible, low cost, and sometimes free—and they can get all the information they need through Plan C.
The Plan C website not only connects people to suppliers--it also provides social media toolkits and stickers.
If you live in a red state (or will be visiting one), please consider ordering stickers from Plan C and pasting them everywhere. (They also have a DIY version you can download and print at home here.) Public bathrooms, airports, bus stops, on phone poles outside clubs and coffee shops, in music venues, in schools, in Target dressing rooms. Use your imagination. Give them to teenagers and have them distribute them wherever they go. Include men’s bathrooms.
If you live in a blue state, have stickers delivered to supportive friends or relatives who live in red states. And, of course, their usefulness isn’t limited to red states. Abortions can be hard to come by in blue states, too.
First, props to the protesters! Being online is ok as a form of pushback but ASSSEMBLY is the form of free speech that freaks these arrogant politicians out!
Second, we all must read this! It’s a peek behind the curtain where the GOP “wizards” make up marketing slogans to get them into your doctor’s office. As an example, marketing a 14 week ban as a 15 week ban because it applies on day 1 of the 15th week. Deceive voters, steal rights, oppress women …. There is no “great and powerful Oz”, people! Click your heels like the people of Kansas and protect yourselves!!
It’s curious that one Florida poll showed only 42% support. That abortion rights would have less support in Florida than in Ohio and Kansas seems odd to me. What did the polling look like in these states?
They probably either asked them in front of their republican husbands, or only called landlines and then you get people that lie, or just want to mess with the pollster.
Yes, it certainly does, some pollsters will say things like "are you against, or strongly against" (whatever insert issue here) never allowing you to say you are not against, and some people are too polite to refuse, and will pick some reply. I am not, but other people will be much more polite.
As to your second point it is healthcare, period. No one else should get a say but the person and their surgeon.
I think what we see happening is that the number of people who are pro-choice, in at least some situations, is higher than the number of people who vote with us in referendums. Jessica has cited lots of polling that reproductive rights are overwhelmingly supported, both nationally and in individual states, but when you look at the vote results from all the referenda that have occurred so far, it's not quite as overwhelming, even though we've always won. There would be a significant difference between a country that is something like 65-35 pro-choice and one that is 80-20 pro-choice.
I suspect that Republicans (and maybe independents too) who are at least somewhat pro-choice waffle when it comes to voting on an amendment, because they don't trust its supporters and the Democrats, and they find a way to believe the amendment goes 'too far', even though they also disapprove of the status quo that Republican politicians and judges have enacted.
So the result ends up being somewhere in the middle. I have no doubt the Florida amendment will get a majority, but idk if it will get 60%. We will have to convince a lot of people who don't want to vote for Democrats that they should still vote for an amendment that Democrats are drafting and supporting, and the partisan divide in this country is so strong that it's a much harder sell than it should be.
Our side has to focus solely on the issue in these campaigns, while their side is served best by making tribal appeals. I think whether we can get 60 in Florida depends on which effect is stronger, because I really don't doubt at all that more than 60% of Floridians are pro-choice.
Not sure. I think Ohio came in right where expected (although the best predictor there was the earlier referendum on changing the ballot standard), and our side beat the polls in Kansas. What I'm noting is the difference between the result you get when you poll people on reproductive rights, the numbers who say legal in all, most, or at least some cases, and the result you get when you poll or vote on an amendment. I think either non-voters are massively pro-choice, or that at least some of the people who are registering as (at least somewhat) pro-choice are not voting our way on amendments, most likely because they don't trust us on so many of their other issues. I'd like to see a data guru break down and analyze this though because it's just my gut reaction, when Jessica shares polling that America is overwhelmingly pro-choice, but then referendum results are kind of meh. Anyway I firmly believe more than 60% of Florida voters are pro-choice, but I'm also not sure if we can get 60% on the amendment.
Honestly I was surprised that we won the amendments in Ohio and Kansas when the GOP was spreading so much misinformation about them. Abortion is where the GOP honed its misinformation/propaganda abilities. I do feel hopeful that people are starting to see through this.
I think they are but the pro-choice Republican voters are a real problem. They completely disagree with what their own party is doing on reproductive rights, but they have very negative views of Democrats, so they can be quite conflicted.
Yes and they are likely most affected by the antiabortion propaganda, even if they are nominally prochoice ie “states rights” (getting rid of Roe) “partial birth abortion” Democrats wants to kill infants at birth etc
Maybe they polled heavily in places like The Villages. I do wonder about polls and whether they can even get a statistically significant response from young people.
I'm so mad cause I had a comment all typed out and I was trying to edit it and I did something that erased it.. but basically I was saying we all have our own ideas on abortion but the religious people only have the churches ideas on that. But I also have to say I'm pretty much right wing and I'm an atheist. There's not a set group of rules or ideas you have to live by to be republican. They would rather not have so much involvement in our lives . They are all for less government and following the constitution as it was written. And not stepping on our rights. The ultra religious ideals on abortion is probably the wives or the church talking. I know that overturning roe v wade wasn't about the subject matter of the law it was how the law came to be a law if that makes sense. But I think the push for full term abortions was what sparked the push for anti abortion ideals. I can half understand it but not completely because up until labor is kinda redundant I think. I mean that far the damage has been done but it's way easier to find an adoption attorney than an abortion place in most cities. And the family that adopts the baby pays for the legal fees and most of the time the medical bills if you haven't already gotten assistance for the medical part. But on the same note even if they didn't do what they were supposed to do by allowing us to vote for it on the next ballot there is still that. But yeah I think democrat politicians are way more controlling than republicans. Democrat politicians just have more cunning ways to get people to comply with giving up freedoms so it's difficult to see the underlying fuckery in their intentions. But I won't get into that. But republicans like rand Paul work for us while trying to preserve our freedoms and democrats do what's best for them at the moment. They think they know what's best for everyone and don't think we are smart enough to know what's best. Lol
If you really want to know the truth of how anti-abortion became a stance tied in to religion, here read this it will explain reality to you. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/religious-right-real-origins-107133/
There is no such thing as a "Full term abortion." How do I know this? I worked as a surgical assistant in women's healthcare clinics and hospitals for twenty years. Any abortion done after viability (approximately Twenty-four weeks but even then excessive intervention is required.) is done because the fetus is malformed and is not compatible with life and/or is already deceased, if left in the uterus it will go septic and kill the woman. You spout many things that simply do not occur in reality. You need a better source of accurate information.
The problem is that whatever one thinks about the Democrats, the Republicans have fallen under the control of some people who are very much not like what you're describing.
https://open.substack.com/pub/project2025istheocracy?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=l0fb9
If this country is ever to function again, the Republican party needs to get away from that and be more like the kind of party you are describing. It's also the only long term way to keep the Democrats in check.
Thank you, he is describing how they used to be, not how they are. A small government doesn't get involved with personal medical decisions.
A lot of people still believe that. If Republicans are elected in November, those people will find out the truth, but by then it will be too late.
Thanks for the links!
I recommend this recent commentary in the Daily Beast (3/27, Michael Ian Black): https://tinyurl.com/c9jbt8y3
Great Quote: “One thing about the righteous: they are ‘right’. It’s in the name. As a righteous person, your interpretation of right/wrong is, definitionally, the correct interpretation. No matter if your POV has no basis in law, medicine, or science. No matter that your POV runs contrary to the wishes of a majority of your fellow citizens. Nothing matters except your certitude regarding your own beliefs.”
The plain cruelty of the extreme anti-abortion movement is crazy righteous. Biased judges and statehouses feel completely free to pass inhumane laws based on extreme Christian, bible-informed beliefs. I think it’s horrible that a law from 1864 is back in force, but what about all the 2000+ years-old biblical laws? There are an awful lot of bible verses about women suffering and divine duties.
Here’s a couple of choice ones:
“I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband and he will rule over you” Gen. 3:16 (Translate: too bad if it hurts, or your body is too young, or your life at risk; God intended you to suffer.)
“A woman, when she is in labor, has sorrow because her hour has come; but as soon as she has given birth to the child, she no longer remembers the anguish, for joy that a human being has been born into the world.” John 16:21 (Translate: Babies are divinely intended, even if you are 14 and completely broke. Be happy.)
Each time I'm gobsmacked by forced-birth cruelty, I remember the beliefs: God intended us to suffer for the sins of Eve. Men are dominant and we are merely vessels for them (and for their offspring). Our individuality, agency, independence and free will are of no consequence. How dare we expect to avoid the suffering God intended?
I hope to see more sunlight on the unconstitutional connection of inflexible religious beliefs and the law. Where is the Establishment Clause in all of this? Oh yeah, our secular rights must not impinge on their religious beliefs, or something like that.
Don't know if you've seen Andra Watkins' substack on this topic but I recommend it!
https://open.substack.com/pub/project2025istheocracy?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=l0fb9
I really like the comments of Wendy Wetzel. "Men still trying to control our bodies". If you can't get bans lifted, try your best to live in a state where abortion is protected. If you cannot do that, at least take all your vacations in blue states. And personally I like hearing about people who choose sterilization. I don't have children and I have a great life. One doesn't have to have children to be fulfilled. It's great that the Opill is available over the counter. And birth control pills are very reliable. Be safe out there, where republican politicians, especially cristo-fascist white men are determined to hurt women and girls.
Same here, I have had a wonderful life of travelling the world, and I enjoyed my career.
There's also plan b. And that algae a 72 hour window. I don't think it's only white republican men that want the bans. I'm sure they have paid for one or two in their lifetime.. and I just have to say in a joking but serious way that I think the men pretending to be trans in woman's bathrooms so they can perv out and no one can ask questions or get them arrested and people that have inappropriate showers with their daughters are more in the hurting women and young girls category. Lmao. But on a serious note I think it's more their church or their wives pushing that antiabortion agenda.
The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists has published a study reporting that over-the-counter birth control pills are safe and effective: Practice Advisory, "First Over-the-Counter Daily Contraceptive Pill Released," https//www.acog.org/clinical/clinical-guidance/practice-advisory/articles/2024/03/first-over-the-counter-daily-contraceptive-pill-released. I found out about it from the Society of Family Planning April 11 weekly update.
I think that as a movement, reproductive justice needs to work on many fronts. The more people who don't want to be pregnant don't GET pregnant, the better, so a lot more contraceptive information needs to be out there. Young women need to realize that if they are going to be having potentially-impregnating kinds of sex, consistently using effective contraception makes them sensible, it doesn't make them "sluts." And as a movement, we need to amplify the amazing work abortion access funds are doing by finding additional ways to make financing available for contraception and other kinds of health care in addition to abortion.
Spread the Word! 📣
Even as Republicans continue to systematically eliminate access to abortion, their efforts are being thwarted by a network of providers who mail abortion pills to ALL 50 states. Pregnant people need to know that pills are safe, accessible, low cost, and sometimes free—and they can get all the information they need through Plan C.
The Plan C website not only connects people to suppliers--it also provides social media toolkits and stickers.
If you live in a red state (or will be visiting one), please consider ordering stickers from Plan C and pasting them everywhere. (They also have a DIY version you can download and print at home here.) Public bathrooms, airports, bus stops, on phone poles outside clubs and coffee shops, in music venues, in schools, in Target dressing rooms. Use your imagination. Give them to teenagers and have them distribute them wherever they go. Include men’s bathrooms.
If you live in a blue state, have stickers delivered to supportive friends or relatives who live in red states. And, of course, their usefulness isn’t limited to red states. Abortions can be hard to come by in blue states, too.
Plan C = https://www.plancpills.org/
Plan C stickers for ordering or downloading = (https://www.plancpills.org/stickers
Stick(er) it to the man!
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Thanks for the tip!
First, props to the protesters! Being online is ok as a form of pushback but ASSSEMBLY is the form of free speech that freaks these arrogant politicians out!
Second, we all must read this! It’s a peek behind the curtain where the GOP “wizards” make up marketing slogans to get them into your doctor’s office. As an example, marketing a 14 week ban as a 15 week ban because it applies on day 1 of the 15th week. Deceive voters, steal rights, oppress women …. There is no “great and powerful Oz”, people! Click your heels like the people of Kansas and protect yourselves!!
https://www.yahoo.com/news/arizona-gop-strategy-document-implores-235424592.html
AP et al are not going to change. It's up to the DNC to mount a massive paid advertising campaign.
Nope they are not, they have been corrupted.
I want to support organizations are accurate regarding abortion criminalization. I know propublica and the guardian are two. Any others?
"New Republic " is pretty good, as well.
https://abortionfunds.org/ and https://www.weareplannedparenthoodaction.org are two that provide direct help, even $5 helps. As to media there's https://reproductivefreedomforall.org and https://prochoice.org/
That's an excellent question.
The “protestor/asshole” line made me lol for real! Keep giving them hell, Jessica! 👏👏👏
It’s curious that one Florida poll showed only 42% support. That abortion rights would have less support in Florida than in Ohio and Kansas seems odd to me. What did the polling look like in these states?
They probably either asked them in front of their republican husbands, or only called landlines and then you get people that lie, or just want to mess with the pollster.
I think it also depends on how the question is asked. Many people have different feelings regarding morality of certain abortions vs legal status
Yes, it certainly does, some pollsters will say things like "are you against, or strongly against" (whatever insert issue here) never allowing you to say you are not against, and some people are too polite to refuse, and will pick some reply. I am not, but other people will be much more polite.
As to your second point it is healthcare, period. No one else should get a say but the person and their surgeon.
I think what we see happening is that the number of people who are pro-choice, in at least some situations, is higher than the number of people who vote with us in referendums. Jessica has cited lots of polling that reproductive rights are overwhelmingly supported, both nationally and in individual states, but when you look at the vote results from all the referenda that have occurred so far, it's not quite as overwhelming, even though we've always won. There would be a significant difference between a country that is something like 65-35 pro-choice and one that is 80-20 pro-choice.
I suspect that Republicans (and maybe independents too) who are at least somewhat pro-choice waffle when it comes to voting on an amendment, because they don't trust its supporters and the Democrats, and they find a way to believe the amendment goes 'too far', even though they also disapprove of the status quo that Republican politicians and judges have enacted.
So the result ends up being somewhere in the middle. I have no doubt the Florida amendment will get a majority, but idk if it will get 60%. We will have to convince a lot of people who don't want to vote for Democrats that they should still vote for an amendment that Democrats are drafting and supporting, and the partisan divide in this country is so strong that it's a much harder sell than it should be.
Our side has to focus solely on the issue in these campaigns, while their side is served best by making tribal appeals. I think whether we can get 60 in Florida depends on which effect is stronger, because I really don't doubt at all that more than 60% of Floridians are pro-choice.
Do you know the polling data for Ohio and Kansas prior to their referendums?
Not sure. I think Ohio came in right where expected (although the best predictor there was the earlier referendum on changing the ballot standard), and our side beat the polls in Kansas. What I'm noting is the difference between the result you get when you poll people on reproductive rights, the numbers who say legal in all, most, or at least some cases, and the result you get when you poll or vote on an amendment. I think either non-voters are massively pro-choice, or that at least some of the people who are registering as (at least somewhat) pro-choice are not voting our way on amendments, most likely because they don't trust us on so many of their other issues. I'd like to see a data guru break down and analyze this though because it's just my gut reaction, when Jessica shares polling that America is overwhelmingly pro-choice, but then referendum results are kind of meh. Anyway I firmly believe more than 60% of Florida voters are pro-choice, but I'm also not sure if we can get 60% on the amendment.
Honestly I was surprised that we won the amendments in Ohio and Kansas when the GOP was spreading so much misinformation about them. Abortion is where the GOP honed its misinformation/propaganda abilities. I do feel hopeful that people are starting to see through this.
I think they are but the pro-choice Republican voters are a real problem. They completely disagree with what their own party is doing on reproductive rights, but they have very negative views of Democrats, so they can be quite conflicted.
Yes and they are likely most affected by the antiabortion propaganda, even if they are nominally prochoice ie “states rights” (getting rid of Roe) “partial birth abortion” Democrats wants to kill infants at birth etc
Maybe they polled heavily in places like The Villages. I do wonder about polls and whether they can even get a statistically significant response from young people.
I wondered about this poll when I saw it, too.
It's not accurate. Support in all states even the ruby blood red ones is north of 60%
The Birth Justice article is excellent. They are very comprehensive with the services and protections they want for pregnant people.
Protester/asshole James Baird is just great line. I can't nail him down on Google. Does anybody know about him?
Can't find them either