It has a lot of legal eaze. The first part that jumped out at me was the definition of Abortion and the use the term as unborn "child" and intent to cause death!!! What the heck 😠 That is very disappointing, terminating a pregnancy sounds simple and to the point. But I'm not the attorney writing this...I feel it definitely was not a doctor. What the heck...
"(1) "Abortion" means the act of using or prescribing an instrument, a drug, a medicine, or any other substance, device, or means with the intent to cause the death of an unborn child of a woman known to be pregnant."
So much implicit/explicit bias going on here.
I'm going to have to read this several times. There are many things to review before I make a comment. They will share your name (not email) if requested. My general review it appears they are giving the doctors details on how to cover themselves by correctly documenting the abortion. And the same time they are telling the doctors to comply with state law. Sigh...I need to think this through a bit..
Just watching the Velshi show - 3/23. He and Michele Goodwin, Professor at Georgetown Law School, and
the co-faculty director of the O’Neill Institute for National and Global Health Law.
They were discussing the terrifying parallels between what’s happening right now, and The Handmaid’s Tale. I was taken by a phrase Dr. Goodwin used, “people with the capacity for pregnancy.” I know some of us sometimes struggle with what words to use to include the entire range of humans directly impacted by this insanity. Dr. Goodwin’s phrase seems a simple way to do so.
These are two terms that need to die together for the same reasons. They were coined for the specific purpose of confronting abortion as a political issue rather than medical.
In either of the terms, we are really talking about a well developed fetus. An abortion is a very complicated process at this stage and perhaps has medical consequences for the woman if it is strictly elective. If she has decided that at this late stage, she just does not want to go through with raising a child, perhaps giving birth and giving it up for adoption might be medically preferable. I don't know. For myself, until you are born, you are not a person and your life is strictly the life of your host. She is not a mother until you take your first breath.
But more typically, something has gone very wrong and to protect the woman, a surgical abortion must occur. This has got to be an elective abortion, the law must not be standing there, stroking its beard and considering what course of action to take. A doctor must be free to make this decision.
You make a good point and it is indeed deplorable that the practice of medicine in this country is tainted by a profit motive, especially on the part of insurance companies. But when a patient signs up for insurance, they mostly know that there are exceptions, for instance experimental treatments, to what the company will cover. But doctors are not threatened with suspension or removal of licensure, fines, imprisonment or death for prescribing drugs that are not on an insurance company’s formulary. If ever there was a bright line beyond which state medical boards MUST stand up for the medical judgment of the doctors they licensed, this would be it. Best practices must be dictated by science and medical ethics—the “first, do no harm” principle—and not by theocratic dictates (which, as in Alabama, are often laid out as explicitly theocratic in laws and court opinions). If state medical boards do not stand for that, what do they stand for?
I just watched Jessica's 'violent and graphic content' tic-toc. 😳 I watched twice to be absolutely certain. I would give it a mild pg at best. Plus, I think she's aging in reverse.
It should be noted that the girl in Mississippi was 12 when she became pregnant, and 13 when she gave birth. It didn’t say HOW she delivered. It didn’t say who paid. I would love to see the rapist sued and legally barred from any parental rights.
My favorite part of the Texas Medical Board rules: there's no economic impact on women who are forced to bear children! ("Mr. Freshour has also determined that for the first five-year period these proposed new sections are in effect there will be no probable economic cost to individuals required to
I hate bans and all these bans are dumb but… bans defined by weeks pregnant are *especially* stupid. If we are ever talking about which week we should cut access we are in stupid bizzaro land. That cannot be the frame for any kind of reasonable discussion.
I agree. The bounty hunter law it what believe is holding the doctors back from ignoring the bans and using their judgment. Clinical people will put a complaint in to cover themselves from prosecution. The laws were very craftily written.
I concur. Whoever requested this I would’ve thought they did their homework. All this did is give the women in the lawsuit false hopes and jerked them around and caused more harm.
OB-GYNs organized to get the board to clarify. This may be the first step in eventually going after the state for not clarifying the law. I’m working with Texas Impact which is also pushing the board to clarify, after they already said they weren’t inclined to. They believe this can become a political issue to organize around.
Your statement would be excellent to submit to them in the public opinion within the next 30 days.
I’m pondering what to say in my response to them. I need to settle my mind first. I’ll submit got together the correct words.
I ask everyone here to submit their opinion. They need to hear from us. Even if you’re not from Texas. I live in Texas and I want them to know how their response is not a response. And they just need to back their doctors. Plain and simple.
BUT TO BE CLEAR they won’t defend them in court. The doctors need their own attorneys.
And another thing— who should have the right to submit a complaint? It sure as s&#% shouldn’t be anyone who stands to gain a bounty under the Texas vigilante abortion law. And yes, although I don’t live in Texas, I plan to submit comments to the Board— writing here was my way of thinking out what I wanted to say
Texas is just horrific, everyday it gets worse there; I was thinking about the new parental consent for birth control law - does anyone know if it covers all forms of brith control, like even condoms? I keep thinking about those people who moved from CA to Texas during the pandemic - are they staying now? And that moron Musk who moved Tesla to TX - are those employees protected? Of course not.
The raped child forced to give to birth is beyond horrific - a true tragedy - this should be a major news story. Kamala should visit them.
I agree Kamala should definitely try to meet the victim in Mississippi. Condoms are easy to buy even in gas stations front desk and bathrooms, unless Texas got rid of all of those machines. Condoms are everywhere because MEN use them. MEN's sexual health must be protected, including Viagra. Hail to the cock. There is an over the counter birth control pill from Opill coming this month. But you have to be 18.
Talk about an Orwellian name. That about takes the cake.
I took down my post about the Alliance of Hipporatic Medicine. They are the ones who engage in judge shopping.
Below is the document that the board made available:
https://www.tmb.state.tx.us/idl/B83AF6D7-C6E7-FD3F-BDE0-3719D43BE5FF
Here is the comment link:
https://forms.office.com/g/rS4ea217Ym
It has a lot of legal eaze. The first part that jumped out at me was the definition of Abortion and the use the term as unborn "child" and intent to cause death!!! What the heck 😠 That is very disappointing, terminating a pregnancy sounds simple and to the point. But I'm not the attorney writing this...I feel it definitely was not a doctor. What the heck...
"(1) "Abortion" means the act of using or prescribing an instrument, a drug, a medicine, or any other substance, device, or means with the intent to cause the death of an unborn child of a woman known to be pregnant."
So much implicit/explicit bias going on here.
I'm going to have to read this several times. There are many things to review before I make a comment. They will share your name (not email) if requested. My general review it appears they are giving the doctors details on how to cover themselves by correctly documenting the abortion. And the same time they are telling the doctors to comply with state law. Sigh...I need to think this through a bit..
Wanted to share.
This is an article showing the attempt to curb judge shopping: Federal courts move against 'judge-shopping' - POLITICO
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/12/federal-courts-move-against-judge-shopping-00146594
Just watching the Velshi show - 3/23. He and Michele Goodwin, Professor at Georgetown Law School, and
the co-faculty director of the O’Neill Institute for National and Global Health Law.
They were discussing the terrifying parallels between what’s happening right now, and The Handmaid’s Tale. I was taken by a phrase Dr. Goodwin used, “people with the capacity for pregnancy.” I know some of us sometimes struggle with what words to use to include the entire range of humans directly impacted by this insanity. Dr. Goodwin’s phrase seems a simple way to do so.
Regarding your language watch.
The idea of late term abortions has a lot to do with the idea of fetal viability, something you have addressed on TikTok,
https://www.tiktok.com/@auntiekilljoy/video/7348651002490326318
These are two terms that need to die together for the same reasons. They were coined for the specific purpose of confronting abortion as a political issue rather than medical.
In either of the terms, we are really talking about a well developed fetus. An abortion is a very complicated process at this stage and perhaps has medical consequences for the woman if it is strictly elective. If she has decided that at this late stage, she just does not want to go through with raising a child, perhaps giving birth and giving it up for adoption might be medically preferable. I don't know. For myself, until you are born, you are not a person and your life is strictly the life of your host. She is not a mother until you take your first breath.
But more typically, something has gone very wrong and to protect the woman, a surgical abortion must occur. This has got to be an elective abortion, the law must not be standing there, stroking its beard and considering what course of action to take. A doctor must be free to make this decision.
You make a good point and it is indeed deplorable that the practice of medicine in this country is tainted by a profit motive, especially on the part of insurance companies. But when a patient signs up for insurance, they mostly know that there are exceptions, for instance experimental treatments, to what the company will cover. But doctors are not threatened with suspension or removal of licensure, fines, imprisonment or death for prescribing drugs that are not on an insurance company’s formulary. If ever there was a bright line beyond which state medical boards MUST stand up for the medical judgment of the doctors they licensed, this would be it. Best practices must be dictated by science and medical ethics—the “first, do no harm” principle—and not by theocratic dictates (which, as in Alabama, are often laid out as explicitly theocratic in laws and court opinions). If state medical boards do not stand for that, what do they stand for?
I just watched Jessica's 'violent and graphic content' tic-toc. 😳 I watched twice to be absolutely certain. I would give it a mild pg at best. Plus, I think she's aging in reverse.
That's just filters.
It should be noted that the girl in Mississippi was 12 when she became pregnant, and 13 when she gave birth. It didn’t say HOW she delivered. It didn’t say who paid. I would love to see the rapist sued and legally barred from any parental rights.
My favorite part of the Texas Medical Board rules: there's no economic impact on women who are forced to bear children! ("Mr. Freshour has also determined that for the first five-year period these proposed new sections are in effect there will be no probable economic cost to individuals required to
comply with these proposed sections."). /s
I hate bans and all these bans are dumb but… bans defined by weeks pregnant are *especially* stupid. If we are ever talking about which week we should cut access we are in stupid bizzaro land. That cannot be the frame for any kind of reasonable discussion.
I agree. The bounty hunter law it what believe is holding the doctors back from ignoring the bans and using their judgment. Clinical people will put a complaint in to cover themselves from prosecution. The laws were very craftily written.
Thanks Deb! Texas needs everyone’s support 👍❤️
No, it’s the going to jail for 99 years.
I concur. Whoever requested this I would’ve thought they did their homework. All this did is give the women in the lawsuit false hopes and jerked them around and caused more harm.
Does anyone remember? Was it the state of Texas?
OB-GYNs organized to get the board to clarify. This may be the first step in eventually going after the state for not clarifying the law. I’m working with Texas Impact which is also pushing the board to clarify, after they already said they weren’t inclined to. They believe this can become a political issue to organize around.
Wonderful Kim. Thanks for your input and support 👍. That is great information ❤️❤️
Your statement would be excellent to submit to them in the public opinion within the next 30 days.
I’m pondering what to say in my response to them. I need to settle my mind first. I’ll submit got together the correct words.
I ask everyone here to submit their opinion. They need to hear from us. Even if you’re not from Texas. I live in Texas and I want them to know how their response is not a response. And they just need to back their doctors. Plain and simple.
BUT TO BE CLEAR they won’t defend them in court. The doctors need their own attorneys.
I really urge only Texas residents sign on and comment.
And another thing— who should have the right to submit a complaint? It sure as s&#% shouldn’t be anyone who stands to gain a bounty under the Texas vigilante abortion law. And yes, although I don’t live in Texas, I plan to submit comments to the Board— writing here was my way of thinking out what I wanted to say
Well said Deb 👍
Texas is just horrific, everyday it gets worse there; I was thinking about the new parental consent for birth control law - does anyone know if it covers all forms of brith control, like even condoms? I keep thinking about those people who moved from CA to Texas during the pandemic - are they staying now? And that moron Musk who moved Tesla to TX - are those employees protected? Of course not.
The raped child forced to give to birth is beyond horrific - a true tragedy - this should be a major news story. Kamala should visit them.
I agree Kamala should definitely try to meet the victim in Mississippi. Condoms are easy to buy even in gas stations front desk and bathrooms, unless Texas got rid of all of those machines. Condoms are everywhere because MEN use them. MEN's sexual health must be protected, including Viagra. Hail to the cock. There is an over the counter birth control pill from Opill coming this month. But you have to be 18.