The TN Freedom to Have Children and a Family Act reveals what I have been thinking for many years. There are those - sadly, women included - who have been brainwashed, typically by their religion, to deem women valuable only in that they can reproduce. I mean family is fine, but its sad to see women that I know (typically older than me) who cannot imagine what other contributions they might make to the world. I can't wait until we grow babies in test tubes and get past all this shit.
I worked in hospitals after high school, and off and on for the first ten years of my career. There’s nothing inherently noble about the people who work in the medical profession - trust me on this. They’re people just like anybody else, something you should definitely keep in mind while deciding how far to trust them.
On a related matter, I’m not certain why you ladies haven’t started slitting throats and blowing shit up, but I AM grateful for the mercy.
The threat to the lives of women of all classes being enacted by the entire GOP makes this the cycle where the Dems must contest EVERY elective office on an explicitly pro-abortion platform. Anything less is political malpractice and risks punting the last best chance to save this benighted society.
Way back when I worked in an abortion clinic, we used the term “products of conception,” which I still prefer to “fetal remains.” I’ve considered that the word “conception” might trigger the “life begins at conception” crowd, but I don’t consider that a drawback. To my knowledge, no one has yet argued against IVF, which involves discarding embryos that have been “conceived,”
although I imagine that’s coming, but they have to know how unpopular that would be—everyone knows someone who relied on that technology to have a family. All of which is to say, I’m pre-butting the argument against using the word “conception.”
I also miscarried into the toilet, but at work in an office building in 1996. What was I supposed to do -- reach into the toilet with my bare hands to retrieve it, and then what exactly? I was heartbroken, and I had no idea there was anything I was required to do except flush the toilet for sanitary reasons.
Jessica - you need a correction. The Idaho case you link to is not the EMTALA case. It’s another case where the plaintiffs include an organization I am a member of, the Idaho Academy of Family Physicians.
He's a typical douchebro troll, they know nothing about anything, outside of their specialty, but somehow think that makes them a genius in everything..
None of the forced birthers, up to and including the cardinals and their handmaid on SCOTUS. I don't generally wish ill on people, but honestly I hope these people suffer like they've made others suffer.
What happened to Brittany happened to me while I was IN the hospital. I knew I was having a miscarriage and when I went to the bathroom, I miscarried into the toilet. I wasn't really thinking and I just flushed it away. The nurses looked at me funny when I told them, but didn't say anything. Then I had a D&C later and went home the next day. This was in 1982. I cannot imagine the position I might be in today if I had done the same thing in say a state like Texas. Would I have been arrested? Would I be facing court and criminal charges? Her situation is surreal and awful. This just makes me SO nauseous.
This is making me think of some really freaky stuff. What can you do with it besides flushing or trashing it. Feed it to your dog 🐕? Fertilizer for your tomatoes? Plop it into a zip lock and sell it on eBay? Find a toilet slave that wants branch out? Sell it to a TV preacher who will in turn sell it to their amazingly stupid viewers?
Thank you once again, Jessica, for your righteous anger in the face of so much assholery. “I’m not first hand with her and her doctor BUT”…..etc, etc.
I bet Vivek’s one of those guys that if asked the question “can a woman pee with a tampon in?” he’d say, “no, of course not”, but hey! when it comes to viable/nonviable pregnancies—he’s suddenly someone whose opinion MUST be heard!
I used to be proud to be an American woman, now I feel nothing but fear for my granddaughters.
I have three granddaughters in Texas. I fear for them when the time comes when they reach the age of reproduction. I got so angry with the 5th circuit decision. This morning I screamed “fuck” at least 25 times! I’d love nothing more than to scream it in the justices faces!
Not that is makes things any better, but I suspect the “preserves future fertility” language is less about septic uteruses and more about allowing an ectopic pregnancy to be addressed immediately and without surgical intervention. We are at the nuance point infighting on the right where “Should she be allowed methotrexate or does it have to be an intervention in the tube” is an honest to hair being split, and this is to clarify that you don’t have to wait until a tube ruptures to make it enough of an emergency to allow an exception.
The Tennessee abortion law was updated in May of 2023 to explicitly state that treatment of ectopics is permissible, so I'm hopeful this proposed law is intended to be a little more broad than that. There are still issues with treatment of ectopics of course (ex how certain do we need to be that it's ectopic, what about a pregnancy of unknown location with bleeding and abnormal beta rise) but I don't think an addition like this would clear it up.
I think the right to an abortion and the willingness to choose it is fundamental to motherhood. I woman's desire to become pregnant is fundamental to a healthy family. I don't think willingness is enough, it merely poses her as a passive receptacle. Certainly exceptions to protect a woman's fertility encourages this point of view, that a woman's uterus is like a plowed field, needing care and protection from weeds and contamination so that a man can plant his seed.
We can guess that Briggs neither understands or really cares about how an abortion or not getting one might effect a woman's fertility. The sentiment here, once again, is that a woman's uterus is public property, needing protection from its unreliable, unrelated host.
I think of myself as pretty progressive. And I am open to the idea of having some language to protect what we might call healthy pregnancies that are in the third trimester -- but I haven’t seen language yet that doesn’t make me uncomfortable.
Simple week formulas don’t do it. They are dumb. 👏 We should not put up arbitrary barriers for people who actually need care. 👏
I feel like there are pro choicers trying to legislate something that is rare or non-existent (late stage “bad” abortions) and I don’t get it. Can anyone point to 30 or 35 week “healthy” pregnant people who would choose abortion just cause?
I feel like this is a solution for an imaginary problem. Or maybe it’s a solution to avoid having to persuade voters that bans based on arbitrary weeks work? It’s so short sighted. We lost Roe. Let’s only ask for better.
It is an imaginary problem. Greater than 98% of abortions occur in the first trimester. It's a deeply misogynist view that women just say oopsies, nevermind after enduring nausea, physical, emotional and mental health changes, in some case lost wages due to time away from work for 7-8 months.
👆🏻I was thinking the same thing. Too many reporters are ignorant about the cases they ask questions about and do not ask good follow up questions, if any. Too many print & TV media have left out the amniotic fluid leaking.
These are grim times. Our country’s deep misogyny is on full display.
The TN Freedom to Have Children and a Family Act reveals what I have been thinking for many years. There are those - sadly, women included - who have been brainwashed, typically by their religion, to deem women valuable only in that they can reproduce. I mean family is fine, but its sad to see women that I know (typically older than me) who cannot imagine what other contributions they might make to the world. I can't wait until we grow babies in test tubes and get past all this shit.
I'm angry all the time.! Every waking moment I am mystified. Broken hearted.
Imagine, if gun lovers were told that they couldn't have guns anymore because it is now illegal to kill someone in self defense.
I worked in hospitals after high school, and off and on for the first ten years of my career. There’s nothing inherently noble about the people who work in the medical profession - trust me on this. They’re people just like anybody else, something you should definitely keep in mind while deciding how far to trust them.
On a related matter, I’m not certain why you ladies haven’t started slitting throats and blowing shit up, but I AM grateful for the mercy.
The threat to the lives of women of all classes being enacted by the entire GOP makes this the cycle where the Dems must contest EVERY elective office on an explicitly pro-abortion platform. Anything less is political malpractice and risks punting the last best chance to save this benighted society.
Way back when I worked in an abortion clinic, we used the term “products of conception,” which I still prefer to “fetal remains.” I’ve considered that the word “conception” might trigger the “life begins at conception” crowd, but I don’t consider that a drawback. To my knowledge, no one has yet argued against IVF, which involves discarding embryos that have been “conceived,”
although I imagine that’s coming, but they have to know how unpopular that would be—everyone knows someone who relied on that technology to have a family. All of which is to say, I’m pre-butting the argument against using the word “conception.”
And I say to the anti- IVF crowd— good luck with that
I also miscarried into the toilet, but at work in an office building in 1996. What was I supposed to do -- reach into the toilet with my bare hands to retrieve it, and then what exactly? I was heartbroken, and I had no idea there was anything I was required to do except flush the toilet for sanitary reasons.
Jessica - you need a correction. The Idaho case you link to is not the EMTALA case. It’s another case where the plaintiffs include an organization I am a member of, the Idaho Academy of Family Physicians.
Vivek is not a nice person.
He's a typical douchebro troll, they know nothing about anything, outside of their specialty, but somehow think that makes them a genius in everything..
None of the forced birthers, up to and including the cardinals and their handmaid on SCOTUS. I don't generally wish ill on people, but honestly I hope these people suffer like they've made others suffer.
What happened to Brittany happened to me while I was IN the hospital. I knew I was having a miscarriage and when I went to the bathroom, I miscarried into the toilet. I wasn't really thinking and I just flushed it away. The nurses looked at me funny when I told them, but didn't say anything. Then I had a D&C later and went home the next day. This was in 1982. I cannot imagine the position I might be in today if I had done the same thing in say a state like Texas. Would I have been arrested? Would I be facing court and criminal charges? Her situation is surreal and awful. This just makes me SO nauseous.
This is making me think of some really freaky stuff. What can you do with it besides flushing or trashing it. Feed it to your dog 🐕? Fertilizer for your tomatoes? Plop it into a zip lock and sell it on eBay? Find a toilet slave that wants branch out? Sell it to a TV preacher who will in turn sell it to their amazingly stupid viewers?
Thank you once again, Jessica, for your righteous anger in the face of so much assholery. “I’m not first hand with her and her doctor BUT”…..etc, etc.
I bet Vivek’s one of those guys that if asked the question “can a woman pee with a tampon in?” he’d say, “no, of course not”, but hey! when it comes to viable/nonviable pregnancies—he’s suddenly someone whose opinion MUST be heard!
I used to be proud to be an American woman, now I feel nothing but fear for my granddaughters.
I have three granddaughters in Texas. I fear for them when the time comes when they reach the age of reproduction. I got so angry with the 5th circuit decision. This morning I screamed “fuck” at least 25 times! I’d love nothing more than to scream it in the justices faces!
Oh gawd. I understand your worries and your fury. The worst is feeling helpless to do something about it.
Not that is makes things any better, but I suspect the “preserves future fertility” language is less about septic uteruses and more about allowing an ectopic pregnancy to be addressed immediately and without surgical intervention. We are at the nuance point infighting on the right where “Should she be allowed methotrexate or does it have to be an intervention in the tube” is an honest to hair being split, and this is to clarify that you don’t have to wait until a tube ruptures to make it enough of an emergency to allow an exception.
The Tennessee abortion law was updated in May of 2023 to explicitly state that treatment of ectopics is permissible, so I'm hopeful this proposed law is intended to be a little more broad than that. There are still issues with treatment of ectopics of course (ex how certain do we need to be that it's ectopic, what about a pregnancy of unknown location with bleeding and abnormal beta rise) but I don't think an addition like this would clear it up.
I think the right to an abortion and the willingness to choose it is fundamental to motherhood. I woman's desire to become pregnant is fundamental to a healthy family. I don't think willingness is enough, it merely poses her as a passive receptacle. Certainly exceptions to protect a woman's fertility encourages this point of view, that a woman's uterus is like a plowed field, needing care and protection from weeds and contamination so that a man can plant his seed.
We can guess that Briggs neither understands or really cares about how an abortion or not getting one might effect a woman's fertility. The sentiment here, once again, is that a woman's uterus is public property, needing protection from its unreliable, unrelated host.
“reasonable, sensible cutoff.”
I think of myself as pretty progressive. And I am open to the idea of having some language to protect what we might call healthy pregnancies that are in the third trimester -- but I haven’t seen language yet that doesn’t make me uncomfortable.
Simple week formulas don’t do it. They are dumb. 👏 We should not put up arbitrary barriers for people who actually need care. 👏
I feel like there are pro choicers trying to legislate something that is rare or non-existent (late stage “bad” abortions) and I don’t get it. Can anyone point to 30 or 35 week “healthy” pregnant people who would choose abortion just cause?
I feel like this is a solution for an imaginary problem. Or maybe it’s a solution to avoid having to persuade voters that bans based on arbitrary weeks work? It’s so short sighted. We lost Roe. Let’s only ask for better.
Getting Roe back will not motivate me.
It is an imaginary problem. Greater than 98% of abortions occur in the first trimester. It's a deeply misogynist view that women just say oopsies, nevermind after enduring nausea, physical, emotional and mental health changes, in some case lost wages due to time away from work for 7-8 months.
I’m right there with you. Roe isn’t enough. No more barriers to healthcare.
🎯No doctor will perform a late-term abortion on a healthy, viable, pregnancy despite what the forced birthers believe.
That’s right.
👆🏻I was thinking the same thing. Too many reporters are ignorant about the cases they ask questions about and do not ask good follow up questions, if any. Too many print & TV media have left out the amniotic fluid leaking.