That insane forced birther doctor needs her medical license revoked asap - wondering if her state or AMA can do this? Secondly, can the American ob/gyn board yank her board accreditation if she even has one?
Break a leg tomorrow. I would like to throw in another aspect of reproductive rights. RBG wanted to use the case of the Air Force requiring a female member to get an abortion if she wanted to continue in the service. An airman became pregnant and wanted to continue her pregnancy. She sued to both stay in the service AND continue her pregnancy. The Air Force settled and that is why this case couldn't be used to determine the right to reproductive choice, but I think that the reasoning is sound. If the government can require you to continue a pregnancy, it also has the right to require you to abort or to become sterilized because the right to determining this rests with the government's decision on what serves the nation rather than the rights of the individual. That power is what China used for its "one child" rule. If we cede power over our reproduction, it doesn't have boundaries. They will decide who is allowed to reproduce and when and we will have no legal standing.
I am furious at the AAPLOG recommendation for the treatment of placental abruption. Abruption, even when it is partial, is a true obstetric emergency which can lead to maternal death.
Jessica - I will add to my earlier comment about “who is going to pay?” Decades ago when it the issue of Medicaid paying for abortions came up for a vote in Michigan, conservative, but financially well off Oakland County (probably the richest in the State), voted to have Medicaid continue to pay for abortions. The reasoning was simple. Abortions were less expensive than pregnancy, delivery and child food assistance and healthcare until the child was off the welfare roles. Oakland county voted with its pocketbook.
Jessica: one question to these anti abortion people. Who is supposed to PAY for this nonsense when a woman ends up in the ER and is forced to labor 24 hours etc? Or for the extraordinary measures to safe a fetus with its organs outside of the body? Hospital charges are outrageous and we don’t have free healthcare because of these same people - so who is going to foot the bills??? The Catholic Church? The Baptists ?? The Republican Party???
When I hear about all those complicating issues that Yennifer was facing, it only makes me think that access to abortion is that much more important. There's no "perfect" patient and pregnancy is complicated — too complicated to legislate!
But like that Christian article shows, all that complexity amounts to for anti-choice people is plausible deniability, something they can blame so they don't have to grapple with abortion actually being life saving care. Even in a pregnancy plagued with a host of problems for pregnant woman and/or fetus, that can only see one legitimate outcome: birth.
Since Eve plucked an apple and shared it with Adam, women have been marginalized and victimized for anything men won’t take responsibility for.
If women cannot have abortions, and next they’ll disallow contraceptives, why is it that men are not disallowed vasectomies? Hysterectomies will be outlawed before this is over, as the trumpublicans are hellbent on building the master race. Again we are witness to the obvious double standard between the two genders.
And a bizarre and twisted double standard between whites and people of color. I agree at least some of the motivation is to force white women to have more children. And yet it's really poor women of color who will suffer the most and bear more unwanted children. I don't think these folks in charge have thought this through.
I'm beginning to wonder... If the state has the right over a woman's fertility, then doesn't that also mean that they have the right over sterilization? If a woman doesn't have reproductive rights, how can she protest against being sterilized? Just a thought.
They rarely think anything through before they act on their knee-jerks. POC will suffer greater than whites, but they’re fine with that. There will also be an increase in Black and brown-skinned babies over those birthed by whites. Another thing they didn’t consider.
Hmmm. Let’s see - a fetus becomes a “person.” This is in direct conflict with Jewish law which states that the fetus is a part of the woman’s body until the baby is born. This sounds like an infringement on religious freedom to me. Oh, but I forgot…..we are a “Christian” nation, so no one else’s religious views are valid.
I have always believed that Roe or any abortion rights should have been argued using separation of church and state. Many Protestant religions also do not believe that “life” begins at conception. It was a Jewish and Protestant clergy who ran an Underground Railroad for women and girls needing safe abortions pre-Roe. My male Presbyterian minister was involved and could have been arrested but said he would not stand by while another woman died “For A Faith That Wasn’t His”.
I absolutely agree. But, the religious argument is the only one that has any supposed “validity” that people can be rallied around. Without the “religious” angle, the pro-life movement has nothing to really stand on. Also, most mainstream religions do allow for abortion - though some are more liberal than others. I guess that is the great irony - these supposed “Christians” are out of step with mainstream Christianity.
As they become more desparate, as voters once again support pro-choice candidates, the lows will get lower and the real victims, the pregnant people, will be blamed and attacked more and more.
That insane forced birther doctor needs her medical license revoked asap - wondering if her state or AMA can do this? Secondly, can the American ob/gyn board yank her board accreditation if she even has one?
Break a leg tomorrow. I would like to throw in another aspect of reproductive rights. RBG wanted to use the case of the Air Force requiring a female member to get an abortion if she wanted to continue in the service. An airman became pregnant and wanted to continue her pregnancy. She sued to both stay in the service AND continue her pregnancy. The Air Force settled and that is why this case couldn't be used to determine the right to reproductive choice, but I think that the reasoning is sound. If the government can require you to continue a pregnancy, it also has the right to require you to abort or to become sterilized because the right to determining this rests with the government's decision on what serves the nation rather than the rights of the individual. That power is what China used for its "one child" rule. If we cede power over our reproduction, it doesn't have boundaries. They will decide who is allowed to reproduce and when and we will have no legal standing.
Here's the response to Rick Santorum's ignorant imposition on Kate Cox's decision:
"Mr. Santorum, your daughter is 15. Who limited your choices about that pregnancy?"
Because we know the answer is NO ONE.
Very good reporting from Florida on the fake crisis pregnancy centers:
https://flcga.org/anti-abortion-infodemic-floridas-tax-funded-christian-pregnancy-centers-are-targeting-women-like-never-before/
I'll keep saying it, any Democrat can beat any gop anywhere if the Democrat hammers on Dobbs all day every day. Even in red blood red jurisdictions.
I am furious at the AAPLOG recommendation for the treatment of placental abruption. Abruption, even when it is partial, is a true obstetric emergency which can lead to maternal death.
They should lose their licenses for doing harm.,
Jessica - I will add to my earlier comment about “who is going to pay?” Decades ago when it the issue of Medicaid paying for abortions came up for a vote in Michigan, conservative, but financially well off Oakland County (probably the richest in the State), voted to have Medicaid continue to pay for abortions. The reasoning was simple. Abortions were less expensive than pregnancy, delivery and child food assistance and healthcare until the child was off the welfare roles. Oakland county voted with its pocketbook.
Jessica: one question to these anti abortion people. Who is supposed to PAY for this nonsense when a woman ends up in the ER and is forced to labor 24 hours etc? Or for the extraordinary measures to safe a fetus with its organs outside of the body? Hospital charges are outrageous and we don’t have free healthcare because of these same people - so who is going to foot the bills??? The Catholic Church? The Baptists ?? The Republican Party???
Simple, they will put a lien and eventually, seize the woman's house.
We are very lucky to have you out there fighting for all of us. I know you will do well. Hugs and cheers!
Jessica: Safe travels. And thank you for being our warrior tomorrow. You’ll be great!
When I hear about all those complicating issues that Yennifer was facing, it only makes me think that access to abortion is that much more important. There's no "perfect" patient and pregnancy is complicated — too complicated to legislate!
But like that Christian article shows, all that complexity amounts to for anti-choice people is plausible deniability, something they can blame so they don't have to grapple with abortion actually being life saving care. Even in a pregnancy plagued with a host of problems for pregnant woman and/or fetus, that can only see one legitimate outcome: birth.
Jessica - You are articulate, knowledgeable and passionate. More people will know what we here already do after tomorrow's hearing.
Watch out, though. No one in DC has a clue about what to do in snowy weather!
Since Eve plucked an apple and shared it with Adam, women have been marginalized and victimized for anything men won’t take responsibility for.
If women cannot have abortions, and next they’ll disallow contraceptives, why is it that men are not disallowed vasectomies? Hysterectomies will be outlawed before this is over, as the trumpublicans are hellbent on building the master race. Again we are witness to the obvious double standard between the two genders.
And a bizarre and twisted double standard between whites and people of color. I agree at least some of the motivation is to force white women to have more children. And yet it's really poor women of color who will suffer the most and bear more unwanted children. I don't think these folks in charge have thought this through.
I'm beginning to wonder... If the state has the right over a woman's fertility, then doesn't that also mean that they have the right over sterilization? If a woman doesn't have reproductive rights, how can she protest against being sterilized? Just a thought.
They rarely think anything through before they act on their knee-jerks. POC will suffer greater than whites, but they’re fine with that. There will also be an increase in Black and brown-skinned babies over those birthed by whites. Another thing they didn’t consider.
Hmmm. Let’s see - a fetus becomes a “person.” This is in direct conflict with Jewish law which states that the fetus is a part of the woman’s body until the baby is born. This sounds like an infringement on religious freedom to me. Oh, but I forgot…..we are a “Christian” nation, so no one else’s religious views are valid.
All sane women may have to convert.
I have always believed that Roe or any abortion rights should have been argued using separation of church and state. Many Protestant religions also do not believe that “life” begins at conception. It was a Jewish and Protestant clergy who ran an Underground Railroad for women and girls needing safe abortions pre-Roe. My male Presbyterian minister was involved and could have been arrested but said he would not stand by while another woman died “For A Faith That Wasn’t His”.
I absolutely agree. But, the religious argument is the only one that has any supposed “validity” that people can be rallied around. Without the “religious” angle, the pro-life movement has nothing to really stand on. Also, most mainstream religions do allow for abortion - though some are more liberal than others. I guess that is the great irony - these supposed “Christians” are out of step with mainstream Christianity.
Mostly because they are "out-of-step" with sanity.
That's for sure!
As they become more desparate, as voters once again support pro-choice candidates, the lows will get lower and the real victims, the pregnant people, will be blamed and attacked more and more.