There is a story in today’s Mother Jones in the politics section. It is specifically about Texas and Greg Abbott’s idiocy. Since it came across my FB news section, I can’t seem to get a link. Maybe someone else can find it and post it. If you want your head to explode, read it.
I gotta be honest. I’m looking at options as a back up. Panama or Portugal as an ex pat. I’m not giving up and I do what I can but it is self preservation if need be. I’m very aware of my privilege.
What worries me is what happens to the rest of the world if Republicans win the election. Can Europe preserve its democracies, way of life, and standard of living, without any backing from anywhere else in the world? There are some toxic politics over there too. Too many unknowns with Russia and China but Republicans' instinct is always to side with power, with bullies, and they will inspire autocrats everywhere. Controlling the dollar as the world's currency also gives America's government unique ability to cause trouble. It just seems like if the U.S. goes down nowhere is safe, but idk. It feels like trying to pick where would be best to live during WWII, but having to choose in 1930 or so without knowing how the war and events would unfold.
WOW - horrifying, sickening, very sad. It is unimaginable, but no doubt true (and then some)! Such helpless feelings. What can we do? How does this get blown up and into mainstream media??
Check out this DemLabs map of the 65,000 rape related pregnancies by state using data from JAMA Network that Jessica had cited. The map isoverlaid with the Republican governors, senators, state attorney generals and congressmen -- and how to contact them. Easier to see who to hold accountable.
Mapping 65,000 Rape Related Pregnancies in States that ban abortions
I was wondering if in the red states there would be more rapes as women would be more fearful of getting pregnant and would reject sex, thereby angering their date or partner, resulting in a rape. Looks like that is happening.
And why is it crazy? I offered a supposition. I remember when I was in my teens and 20's with fending off guys who couldn't take 'no' for an answer. Have things changed that much in the last 40 years ? Can you offer explanations for the increase in rapes in those states? Or, are you suggesting women are lying about rape just so as to have an abortion in the anti-choice states? Women in marriages are also raped. These same anti-choice states are some of those who also want to take away the no-fault divorce rights. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/09/no-fault-divorce-laws-republicans-repeal/675371/
I think in these scary times we have to look at everything closely as Tully is doing. It's ok to wonder—and then watch for information/patterns. Sometimes anecdotal or supposition starts the process ...
The pro-subjugators aren't going to care about seeming cruel. They're already proud of it. Most of them voted for Trump. He's proud of his cruelty.
They love their weapons of war. They love to shout "lock her up! lock her up!" at rallies. They send cruel people into school board meetings to argue that homosexuality is a "mental illness." (Yes - happened in my little NJ town.) They voted again(!) for a man who openly mocked a reporter with cerebral palsy. They don't care that he, himself, was found guilty of rape by a jury of their peers! There they all were last night, in the NH primary, saying what a great job he did and how much they love him. It's so sickening.
Has anyone heard one Republican speak out about the women who have suffered because of Dobbs?
They won't care about this 65k statistic. They'll say the women are lying. Or they'll stonewall and ignore it all and pivot to the "abortion till the moment of birth" lie.
The Democrats have to win all three branches of government in 2024. I believe this issue is going to be the catalyst. Women are pissed. I feel like I live in a bad dream and can't wake up!
And it's been estimated for years that only half of all rape victims come forward. They are ashamed, embarrassed and don't think police will belive them. Now in banned states especially those that surveil and pull period apps....even LESS women will come forward as states will force a pregnancy tests and monitoring. These women will suffer in silence and flee the state like a criminal to get an abortion.... IF they can afford it. If not they are doomed.
That's a great point. It will be even easier for rapists to get away with it if women must risk being criminalized for the outcome of a rape-induced pregnancy. For that matter they would have a target on their backs as far as being prosecuted for any of their behaviors during pregnancy.
Just last week I read about Apple forcing an office full of San Diego employees to either relocate to Austin or lose their jobs. How is it not an EEOC violation, requiring a female employee to live in a state where her very life is in danger on gender-specific grounds, even if she's raped? (Not that the cause of the pregnancy should matter.) I know the Justice Department doesn't tend to move swiftly, but I really hope they are preparing a monster of a case against whoever the worst offenders are.
I thought of that too, but then federal law would be reflecting and acknowledging that the state law is discriminatory (of course it is!), and would that contradict Dobbs giving states the ok? The administration should absolutely be trying all of these strategies, but with this supreme court most/all of them may be dead ends. Still the justices should be forced to own and defend all of the consequences of their policies, in writing for all to see.
Great question--even while writing my comment I was thinking "wait, is what Apple is doing ACTUALLY illegal, technically?" I haven't seen any pieces from feminist legal scholars on this matter, but I'd love to read a really basic explainer.
Yes. Dobbs opened up a million questions for the court and I don't see how there can be vastly different human rights standards within the same country. But right now there are.
Eh gads, that number is HORRIFIC. I think telling ANYONE that they must remain pregnant against their will is offensive and cruel and a violation of basic fundamental rights. But to do that to a person who had already been physically violated?! Just unbelievable inhumane.
I read the article and added it to my desktop to check out the links later. Not all full of gobbledygook and tedious methodology like much of their articles. They did a decent job.
There is a story in today’s Mother Jones in the politics section. It is specifically about Texas and Greg Abbott’s idiocy. Since it came across my FB news section, I can’t seem to get a link. Maybe someone else can find it and post it. If you want your head to explode, read it.
I gotta be honest. I’m looking at options as a back up. Panama or Portugal as an ex pat. I’m not giving up and I do what I can but it is self preservation if need be. I’m very aware of my privilege.
I know others that are doing the same. 🤨
What I meant to say is I am aware and grateful of everything but ethics of living in a country that treats people with disrespect is despicable
What worries me is what happens to the rest of the world if Republicans win the election. Can Europe preserve its democracies, way of life, and standard of living, without any backing from anywhere else in the world? There are some toxic politics over there too. Too many unknowns with Russia and China but Republicans' instinct is always to side with power, with bullies, and they will inspire autocrats everywhere. Controlling the dollar as the world's currency also gives America's government unique ability to cause trouble. It just seems like if the U.S. goes down nowhere is safe, but idk. It feels like trying to pick where would be best to live during WWII, but having to choose in 1930 or so without knowing how the war and events would unfold.
An editorial on the rape pregnancy study.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2814275
Ban exceptions are fake. Posting this (and the Instagram reel you made about it) far and wide.
WOW - horrifying, sickening, very sad. It is unimaginable, but no doubt true (and then some)! Such helpless feelings. What can we do? How does this get blown up and into mainstream media??
Check out this DemLabs map of the 65,000 rape related pregnancies by state using data from JAMA Network that Jessica had cited. The map isoverlaid with the Republican governors, senators, state attorney generals and congressmen -- and how to contact them. Easier to see who to hold accountable.
Mapping 65,000 Rape Related Pregnancies in States that ban abortions
https://thedemlabs.org/2024/01/24/rape-related-pregnancies-states-that-ban-abortions/
WOW :(
I was wondering if in the red states there would be more rapes as women would be more fearful of getting pregnant and would reject sex, thereby angering their date or partner, resulting in a rape. Looks like that is happening.
that's a crazy explanation and conclusion - without any evidence
And why is it crazy? I offered a supposition. I remember when I was in my teens and 20's with fending off guys who couldn't take 'no' for an answer. Have things changed that much in the last 40 years ? Can you offer explanations for the increase in rapes in those states? Or, are you suggesting women are lying about rape just so as to have an abortion in the anti-choice states? Women in marriages are also raped. These same anti-choice states are some of those who also want to take away the no-fault divorce rights. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/09/no-fault-divorce-laws-republicans-repeal/675371/
I hear you. I was in an abusive marriage and I was not listened to nor respected sexually.
I think in these scary times we have to look at everything closely as Tully is doing. It's ok to wonder—and then watch for information/patterns. Sometimes anecdotal or supposition starts the process ...
The pro-subjugators aren't going to care about seeming cruel. They're already proud of it. Most of them voted for Trump. He's proud of his cruelty.
They love their weapons of war. They love to shout "lock her up! lock her up!" at rallies. They send cruel people into school board meetings to argue that homosexuality is a "mental illness." (Yes - happened in my little NJ town.) They voted again(!) for a man who openly mocked a reporter with cerebral palsy. They don't care that he, himself, was found guilty of rape by a jury of their peers! There they all were last night, in the NH primary, saying what a great job he did and how much they love him. It's so sickening.
Has anyone heard one Republican speak out about the women who have suffered because of Dobbs?
They won't care about this 65k statistic. They'll say the women are lying. Or they'll stonewall and ignore it all and pivot to the "abortion till the moment of birth" lie.
The Democrats have to win all three branches of government in 2024. I believe this issue is going to be the catalyst. Women are pissed. I feel like I live in a bad dream and can't wake up!
And it's been estimated for years that only half of all rape victims come forward. They are ashamed, embarrassed and don't think police will belive them. Now in banned states especially those that surveil and pull period apps....even LESS women will come forward as states will force a pregnancy tests and monitoring. These women will suffer in silence and flee the state like a criminal to get an abortion.... IF they can afford it. If not they are doomed.
That's a great point. It will be even easier for rapists to get away with it if women must risk being criminalized for the outcome of a rape-induced pregnancy. For that matter they would have a target on their backs as far as being prosecuted for any of their behaviors during pregnancy.
And the cherry on top -- if anyone helps them flee, they'll be charged with abortion trafficking.
You're right. I am trying. I can always do more.
Just last week I read about Apple forcing an office full of San Diego employees to either relocate to Austin or lose their jobs. How is it not an EEOC violation, requiring a female employee to live in a state where her very life is in danger on gender-specific grounds, even if she's raped? (Not that the cause of the pregnancy should matter.) I know the Justice Department doesn't tend to move swiftly, but I really hope they are preparing a monster of a case against whoever the worst offenders are.
I thought of that too, but then federal law would be reflecting and acknowledging that the state law is discriminatory (of course it is!), and would that contradict Dobbs giving states the ok? The administration should absolutely be trying all of these strategies, but with this supreme court most/all of them may be dead ends. Still the justices should be forced to own and defend all of the consequences of their policies, in writing for all to see.
Great question--even while writing my comment I was thinking "wait, is what Apple is doing ACTUALLY illegal, technically?" I haven't seen any pieces from feminist legal scholars on this matter, but I'd love to read a really basic explainer.
Yes. Dobbs opened up a million questions for the court and I don't see how there can be vastly different human rights standards within the same country. But right now there are.
Eh gads, that number is HORRIFIC. I think telling ANYONE that they must remain pregnant against their will is offensive and cruel and a violation of basic fundamental rights. But to do that to a person who had already been physically violated?! Just unbelievable inhumane.
NPR covered this too
Too bad it's an echo chamber.
I am not surprised. Sad to say. If anyone is interested in reading the research article her is the link:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2814274
You can download it by setting up a FREE Account. Real easy if you have google.
The drafters of these bans didn't take into consideration that the pedophiles and sexual abusers would see this as open season. Not that they cared.
The abusers, are the republicans pushing this crap.
I read the article and added it to my desktop to check out the links later. Not all full of gobbledygook and tedious methodology like much of their articles. They did a decent job.
What was notable in was the results for Texas. The state I live in....
Results | In the 14 states that implemented total abortion bans
following the Dobbs decision,we estimated that 519 981 completed
rapes were associated with 64 565 pregnancies during
the 4 to 18 months that bans were in effect (Table 2). Of these,
an estimated 5586 rape-related pregnancies (9%) occurred in
states with rape exceptions, and 58 979 (91%) in states with no
exception, with 26 313 (45%) in Texas.